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What Michael Moore and Liberals Don’t (and Will Never) Understand About the Second Amendment
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Posted on 09/06/2005 11:52:50 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Some of the most heartening tales coming out of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina are the tales of Americans standing up and taking responsibility for their own safety and survival rather than whining about “the government” not taking care of them.

The Washington Post reports that in Popps Ferry Landing, a neighborhood near Biloxi, Mississippi, the local neighborhood watch is keeping an armed night watch to prevent looters from invading the neighborhood. Following the looting of the local Dollar Store, neighbors who very rarely spoke to each other, got together to protect their own. They’re not going out hunting down anyone; they’re just camping out at their houses with their constitutionally protected firearms preventing the roving bands of criminals from destroying their peaceful middle class neighborhood.

It is times such as these, for which the Second Amendment is so important. In the aftermath of the greatest natural disaster in the history of this nation, it is the citizen himself that must stand in the breach of the wall of civilization, created by the storm and the consequent disorganization and lack of police presence, to protect himself from the anarchy which reigns in the world outside. These are the minute men of the 21st Century. These are ordinary middle class men, plumbers, engineers, managers, carpenters, and salesmen who have gotten out of their easy chairs and off their sofas, gone out into their neighborhood and introduced themselves to their neighbors. They have, in this time of danger decided, not to wait around to become a victim and then whine about why our government hasn’t done something to protect them, but to take responsibility for their own safety. Our Founding Fathers would not be proud of these men they would merely nod their heads in acknowledgement of men doing what should be expected of them.

It is precisely this for which the Second Amendment was designed. I know it’s difficult for Liberals to understand, but as we are seeing currently, we can’t always depend on the police. The Second Amendment is not, much to the chagrin of Liberals like Michael Moore, Al Gore, and John Kerry, about a person’s right to hunt; it is about the American citizen’s right to feel safe in their own residence. This fact which so sadly escaped the two last Democrat candidates for President is what made the images of John Kerry traipsing around in borrowed jacket with borrowed gun attempting to look like a hunter so hysterical to the gun owners of America. The N.R.A. is not about arming criminals like Michael Moore has inappropriately and inaccurately tried to portray in his crassly exploitive movie “Bowling for Columbine,” it is about educating the American citizen on the rights and responsibilities of gun ownership, the proper use and care of those firearms, and the protection, from those who would usurp those rights under the misapprehension that a gun-free state is a safe state, of those rights as guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

It is true that guns are designed for the purpose of killing. They are the most efficient form of killing that the average citizen has available to them. They are also the most effective form of self defense the average citizen has available to them. In their absence, individuals, men, women, and children are at greater risk. To an unarmed man, alone on a road or in his house, a group of four or five (or even a couple) burly men intent on evil represent a real life threatening situation; to an armed man, or women, properly trained in the use of firearms, they become a manageable threat. In a society in which the criminal frequently has more rights than the victim, being armed should be, as the Second Amendment intends, an untouchable right. Carrying a firearm, whether concealed of openly, should not only be allowed, it should be encouraged. The fact of the matter is, the better armed the citizens of a community, the lower the crime rate, particularly the violent crime rate, of that community. Those cities like Washington D.C., New York, and possibly soon to be San Francisco, have the highest per capita violent crime rate in the nation.

As can be seen in the Popps Landing example, total dependence upon government agencies for our safety can quickly turn into a liability, if those agencies are overwhelmed by circumstances beyond anyone’s control. At a time when police response to emergency calls can be five to ten minutes (if not much longer) it is ludicrous for the American people to be forced to rely on the government for their protection, as the anti-gun lobby would have us do. That is a real path to the imprisonment of the average citizen inside their houses. In Britain, certainly there is a lower murder rate than in the U.S.A., but the overall violent crime rate is considerably higher than in America. Groups like Handgun Control International, Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, and Common Cause would have Americans surrender their rights to self-defense for the illusory concept of complete safety. There is no such thing as complete safety, and a person can be as easily and more surely killed by a knife as a gun. It has been stated by the Second Amendment lobbying groups so often as to become a trite saying, “if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns.” Trite maybe, but also true, so true that it becomes a profound statement of universal truth. By definition, an outlaw, a law breaker, a criminal, does not care whether or not he is breaking the law by carrying a firearm. If a person has criminal intent, he will find a means to implement it.

These people, people of the left like Mr. Moore, are the same people who would have had us unilaterally disarm during the cold war in the face of a growing Soviet Nuclear threat. President Reagan, proved how mistaken the unilateralist’s position was by presiding over the first stages of the complete dismantlement of the Soviet Union. Unilateral disarmament in the face of a known threat is an invitation to victim hood. It is only by show of strength that threat can be countered. This is not some new “off-the-wall” concept, this is human nature at its very core. The anti-gun forces exhibit the same Pollyannaish naiveté of human nature that the Marxists do. There are and always will be predators in our society. It is the human nature of some to covet more than their “fair share.” The entire concept of “fair share” is faulty thinking based on the mistaken concept that material wealth is a zero sum game. It is also human nature for some in our society to desire that for which they are not willing to work. They are the predators which must be confronted in everyday life. If relying on the police was a successful concept, there would be no crime. No one would have to lock their door and a woman walking downtown after dark by herself would neither be uncommon nor foolish. Since not even the most rabid Liberal in society would consider that situation reasonable behavior, the basic premise of their arguments against guns is false. I dare say that Sarah Brady would not feel comfortable walking the dark alley ways of D.C. even though there are extremely strong anti-gun laws in place there.

There are no reasonable arguments in favor of gun control, only emotional ones. That is why one so often hears bogus statistics coming out of the anti-gun lobbyists. Thankfully, most Americans understand this concept and reject the irrational policies recommended by the gun haters. You will also hear them claim that they are not anti-gun, rather that they are only seeking to impose “reasonable” restraints on gun ownership. This is an evolutionary principle for them brought about through their numerous defeats, by gun owners, in their legislative endeavors. You will often hear them use the phrase “I am a hunter myself...” or “We’re not talking about taking away a hunter’s guns...” invariably followed by the word “but.” They then will use the phrase, “reasonable people,” or “reasonable restrictions,” so as to make it clear that only an “unreasonable” person would object to their efforts to restrict gun ownership.

In a society of law-abiding citizens, we have nothing to fear from an unrestricted right to gun ownership. Law-abiding citizens are by definition going to obey the law. By restricting their “right to keep and bare arms,” we only encourage law breaking by those same citizens. Laws are intended to preserve freedoms, not restrict them. In committing a crime, someone is infringing on the rights and freedoms of another. In an armed society, those who would seek to impose their will on another are significantly less inclined to do so. It is for that reason, that the citizens of Popps Ferry Landing will not have to worry about having their property destroyed or stolen, their families killed or injured by marauding bands of criminals. And the authorities will not be additionally burdened in the exercising of their duties responding to this crisis.

An armed citizenry is a safe and fearless citizenry.


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To: Pyro7480
What is your opinion of the SKS?

Overall I LIKE the Yugo M59/66. But there are things to be aware of.

For one, these are NOT the Chicom (Norinco) SKSs. Generally, they are of a much higher quality. Some would argue about this, but it's a fact. It doesn't matter much except that the vast majority of SKSs floating around this country are Chinese. So a great many of the parts made for SKSs don't fit the Yugos well. They either just DON'T fit, or require "fitting". We discovered this when we bought a couple of replacement magazines. I gave them to a buddy of mine with a Norinco, and it worked like a charm. :-) Ditto for the front sight adjustment tool. I had to take a file to it to make it work with the Yugos. It didn't bother me since it was a $4.00 part from Tapco.

Also...from a functional standpoint, there aren't a lot of good options from the standpoint of upgrades. For example...I would REALLY like to have electronic optical sights (LED red dot, or tritium). The only decent mounting systems I can find are one made by D.C Engineering, but it's $85.00 (on a $200.00 rifle?!), and the other is a "drill and tap" operation. The D.C. Engineering solution is a receiver cover replacement that will cause you to need special tools for field stripping and cleaning.

I WANT IT ALL...and by this I mean, I would like an optical sight, in ADDITION to open iron sights, without sacrificing ANYTHING...including the ability to field strip as it was intended!

Now...having said that, understand that I'm a PURIST who wants it all. I realize that I seldom get exactly what I want.

So I'd have to say that it's a VERY GOOD rifle for the price and functionality it provides. It's simple to operate, holds 10 rounds, but you can get higher cap mags. Sights are VERY basic. It's not excessively loud if you MUST fire it without "ears" on.

We've gotten BETTER than MOA accuracy out of ours at 200 yards depending on the ammo you use. Which from what I've been told is VERY good for the SKS.

One of the best things about the SKS is that you can buy 7.62x39 ammo from The Sportsman's Guide for "about" $60.00/thousand.

I've been telling everybody I know to BUY TWO OF THEM NOW!.

Yeah...thumbs up from me. It's a ood, solid, simple, reliable semi auto for "about" $200.00.
61 posted on 09/06/2005 1:17:57 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: King Prout
the next aftermarket doohicky of note that I shall add will be an Eotech sight.

Oh hey! Take note! :-) You might know this...but one of the Eotechs...I "think" the 550-E? ...could have the model # a little off... but it's NV compatible. IOW, if you put it in front of your NV sighting system, you can "see" the sight. It's not much more in price than the lesser model.

So if you have any plans at all to put NV equip on your weapon, be sure to get NV compatible sights. Eotech makes one, and AimPoint makes one called the Comp-ML.

Stay away from ATN sights and NV equip. It's JUNK. :-)
62 posted on 09/06/2005 1:21:49 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: King Prout
yes. actually, it was IN the bullpup kit when I bought it. whoever installed it screwed the pooch, bigtime, so I was able to get the whole shebang for $300 total (did some research - that's less than the cost of the kit, and the gun itself is about twice that, so i got it for a steal)

It took me about an hour of puzzling, about four bucks at a hardware store, and less than ten minutes of labor to fix the screwup (and, as a side-project, add a trigger-pull adjustment mechanism to the wire trigger-extension)

been refining it ever since

It spits brass up to 45 feet in a 30degree arc, so I had to build a brass-catcher out of sheet aluminum and fiberglas... and having a brass-catcher blocking the bolt-carrier handle necessitated making a forward-mounted charging handle... it just keeps going.

Yep...that's an AK...tossing brass farther than you or I could throw it!

Ya know...I never could understand this...but our ARs drop brass behind the shooter, sometimes into the face of your shooting buddy (we practice CQB drills). But the SKSs, and the FAL we have throw brass FORWARD of the ejection port! So the worse that's going to happen is that you thump your buddy in the back somewhere!

BTW - I got whacked by a 7.62 empty casing at a range years ago...WHACK!...right in the side of the head! It HURT. We talked the guy with the AK into moving to the far right. :-)

That's a good deal you got on the weapon. Nice job too!
63 posted on 09/06/2005 1:27:12 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand; Pyro7480

Bushmaster IIRC makes some good SKS add-ons, and there are good re-stocking kit options available.

there is even, last time I checked, a bullpup kit (though I've never laid hands on one, so I'll not vouch for its quality)


64 posted on 09/06/2005 1:30:07 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: hiredhand
Stay away from ATN sights and NV equip. It's JUNK.

that's the word on the street, ayyuh.

65 posted on 09/06/2005 1:31:34 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: hiredhand
Image also altered to protect... well, Me!

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66 posted on 09/06/2005 1:32:51 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: King Prout
the P90 is a very small bore centerfire rifle. 5.7mm IIRC, with a smaller case max-dia than the 5.56mm/.223

Good point, but I've seen AirSoft guns that you could NOT tell from the real thing.... case in point, here's my paintball gun. With the low profile hopper, it's difficult to tell from an M-4. :-) I put the 200 rd hopper back on it because "fashion" loses it's appeal after the first couple of times of being "scourched" by teenagers on the opposing team. :-)

ZOT!
67 posted on 09/06/2005 1:33:37 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand

I've got that problem with my Witness 10mm. Need a different recoil spring so it will stop tossing my spent brass into the next county. I'd use a "wrist strap" style catcher, but I'm left handed.


68 posted on 09/06/2005 1:35:05 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: hiredhand
Yowsa! That looks neat! My Christmas wish list is already maxed out for this year...

There is always next year though...

69 posted on 09/06/2005 1:36:36 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: King Prout
Bushmaster IIRC makes some good SKS add-ons, and there are good re-stocking kit options available.

there is even, last time I checked, a bullpup kit (though I've never laid hands on one, so I'll not vouch for its quality)


Oh there are LOTS of add-ons that are really good! ...and you are CORRECT. Bushmaster makes VERY high quality add-ons. My main disappointment with the SKS is that I couldn't have open sights AND illuminated (electronic, or tritium) sights without sacrificing some other funcationality. The best solution I saw is a "over the top" mount that you have to drill and tap the left side of the receiver for. I'm probably going to do this with my son's SKS because he's gotten spoiled using our other "equipment", all of which has electronic sights, and or decent 650nm lasers, and lights.

Yeah...I saw that SKS bullpup kit. I thought it was a strange looking thing though! :-)
70 posted on 09/06/2005 1:38:33 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: King Prout
Stay away from ATN sights and NV equip. It's JUNK.

that's the word on the street, ayyuh.


In ATN's defense...reportedly they have EXCELLENT customer service! But I'd rather pay more money for a higher quality product that doesn't break easily! Not only this, but if the SHTF in a big way, will ATN's customer service even be there? :-)
71 posted on 09/06/2005 1:41:21 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Dead Corpse
VERY cool!...and such a happy shooter too! :-) My wife's Armalite A-2 was rigged up like that for awhile, but she complained that it was HEAVY! AG! Heavy?!

Alas...she's my sweetie though, and her weapon of choice MUST be useable, so I planted a C-More Railway on top of the carrying handle and she's happy with it now.

Ah yes...here's a photo of it...sitting next to ME! Right here...
Pop!

Get this...I had also put a First Samco quad-rail mount system on it, and vertical grip. She didn't like that either because of weight! So I gave it to this fine young man (my 10 yr old) and we installed it on his AR! He likes it just FINE! :-)

ZOT!

Notice the "stubby" stock. :-)
72 posted on 09/06/2005 1:48:59 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand

I'm passingly familiar with several Airsoft models of the P90.
Most of them have opaque magazines.
The only one that I know of that has a full-simulation magazine (dummy rounds visible) (by Tokyo Marui) has a full mag with no stack variance at the feeding end.
If you look closely, you will see the double-stack vary into feeding file in the image in question.
If that is a model, it is a DAMN slick one.


73 posted on 09/06/2005 1:49:24 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: freepatriot32

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1478693/posts


The Last Days And Death Of New Orleans Caught On Video
Lightning Boy - Storm Chaser Video ^ | Douglas Kiesling, AKA - Lightningboy
Posted on 09/06/2005 3:26:18 PM CDT by wallcrawlr
I was in downtown New Orleans shooting Hurricane Katrina video and documented the last few days of the City before it died.
http://www.stormchaserdiary.com/Hurricane_Katrina/index.htm

Here are the first few videos: (Be warned the server is slow.)

http://www.stormchaserdiary.com/Hurricane_Katrina/video/082705_New_Orleans_Starts_To_Evacuate.wmv

http://www.stormchaservideo.com.nyud.net:8090/Hurricane_Katrina/video/082805_Last_Night_On_Bourbon_Street_256k.wmv

http://www.stormchaservideo.com.nyud.net:8090/Hurricane_Katrina/video/082805_Massive_Evacuation.wmv

http://www.stormchaservideo.com.nyud.net:8090/Hurricane_Katrina/video/082805_Katrina_Moves_Into_New_Orleans.wmv

http://www.stormchaservideo.com.nyud.net:8090/Hurricane_Katrina/video/082905_Lake_Pontchartrain_Final_%20Moments_Overnight.wmv

http://www.stormchaservideo.com.nyud.net:8090/Hurricane_Katrina/video/082905_Hurricane_Katrina_Hits_PreDawn.wmv

http://www.stormchaservideo.com.nyud.net:8090/Hurricane_Katrina/video/082905_Hurricane_Katrina_Fleeing_And_Aftermath.wmv


74 posted on 09/06/2005 1:51:37 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: hiredhand

http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/tw_p90.htm


75 posted on 09/06/2005 1:51:41 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: hiredhand
. It gives one "about" 2.5 seconds to decide friend or foe while the person on the receiving end recovers from the disorientation it causes in low light. :-)

I hope I can yell "I am a FReeper" inside of 2.5 seconds!!! ;)

76 posted on 09/06/2005 1:53:51 PM PDT by Shazbot29 (muhammed was the most evil person ever to live. May he burn in hell forever)
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To: Dead Corpse
I've got that problem with my Witness 10mm. Need a different recoil spring so it will stop tossing my spent brass into the next county. I'd use a "wrist strap" style catcher, but I'm left handed.

A stronger recoil spring "might" help. My Colt Series 80 .45 ACP was bad about chucking empties 15 feet behind me to the right. I replaced the recoil spring with a 22 or 23lb spring and now it drops them all in a nice little pile right behind my right foot.

Wilson makes spring sets I "think". I'm pretty sure I brought mine from Brownells...http://www.brownells.com....or Midway Arms...http://www.midwayusa.com.

They came in a set...recoil spring...firing pin spring...and main (hammer) spring. I put the recoil and firing pin spring, but haven't gotten around to replacing the hammer spring "yet". It's a slight PITA without the right tools. :-)
77 posted on 09/06/2005 1:54:53 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Yowsa! That looks neat! My Christmas wish list is already maxed out for this year...

There is always next year though...


It's the most fun I've had in a long time! It's a Tippmann A-5 with all the add-ons to dress it up to look like an M-4. It's a FRIGHTFUL paintball gun too! It's very accurate, and I do very well with it!

I'll have to warn you though....I don't know how old you are...I'm 41 and I started playing back in May with a bunch of teenagers, and few guys my age, and a few in their 30s. It's a ROUGH sport!

But if you're like me and never quite grew up, and still think you'd like to play "war games", MILSIM paintball is about the closest you can get. The guns are a little pricey though. That A-5 of mine was right at the $400.00 mark and I pulled off some tricks to save about $100.00.

It's a really cool paintball gun though. I like it. :-)
78 posted on 09/06/2005 2:00:01 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: King Prout
I'm passingly familiar with several Airsoft models of the P90.
Most of them have opaque magazines.
The only one that I know of that has a full-simulation magazine (dummy rounds visible) (by Tokyo Marui) has a full mag with no stack variance at the feeding end. If you look closely, you will see the double-stack vary into feeding file in the image in question. If that is a model, it is a DAMN slick one.

That's for certain...if that P-90 is a model, it a good one!
79 posted on 09/06/2005 2:03:34 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Shazbot29
I hope I can yell "I am a FReeper" inside of 2.5 seconds!!! ;)

LOL! I just tried it a couple of times, and it can be shouted in WELL under 2.5 seconds! :-)
80 posted on 09/06/2005 2:09:15 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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