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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: tuliptree76
"Well, I better go make dinner. I'll be back later."

Seems to convey two thoughts, but it might make an excellent paper. Let us see the potential outline for this and we'll then brainstorm over it. :-)

681 posted on 08/01/2005 4:58:38 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tax-chick
"Zombie Gypsies of Cyberspace?"

That's intriguingly close to the title of my fourth book!

682 posted on 08/01/2005 5:04:07 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: A CA Guy

:-).

The Mongols would have eaten the Clintons for lunch (literally).


683 posted on 08/01/2005 5:04:48 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: NicknamedBob

Remarkable! Is that the one I'm in? Did I mention I want straight hair?


684 posted on 08/01/2005 5:06:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: scott0347

Well, we DID take it over 'in situ' fair and square.
But I do suppose that saving the keywords is a wise thing just in case we need this moved back to our 'normal' forum section.


685 posted on 08/01/2005 5:09:12 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Darksheare; scott0347; Tax-chick; NicknamedBob; All

Just got time for a quickie. ;o]

T-storms in the area, and I need to get off here before it's fried like it was this morning.

Take care all of you!

XO

PS: We DID put in a change of address, didn't we?...:o|


686 posted on 08/01/2005 5:13:42 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Tax-chick

You kinda remind me of Sister Robin in the first book. A very sweet gal, and she had kids -- or did you want to get away from that?

I don't think I described her hair, but I liked her!


687 posted on 08/01/2005 5:14:19 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Monkey Face

Hopefully we'll move before the bill collectors find us :-).

Have a good evening - stay grounded!


688 posted on 08/01/2005 5:14:29 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: NicknamedBob

I haven't read your book yet. Another thing on the list for the future ...


689 posted on 08/01/2005 5:15:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Tax-chick

*snort*

;o]


690 posted on 08/01/2005 5:15:40 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

"We DID put in a change of address, didn't we?...:o|"


Whoops!


691 posted on 08/01/2005 5:16:34 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Tax-chick

The Sisters of Life. They breed children.

Frustratingly, though, they try to keep them secret -- of course, kids being kids, especially boys...


692 posted on 08/01/2005 5:18:00 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

There are Sisters of Life in New York - an order founded by Cardinal O'Connor. They don't breed, though.

I can't imagine boys being secret ... unless you put them down a mine ...


693 posted on 08/01/2005 5:20:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Darksheare; Monkey Face; sionnsar; Dead Corpse; King Prout
"We DID put in a change of address, didn't we?"

We haven't thrown ourselves on the mercy of the Mods yet, to get the sidebar thread information organized.

I think we're going to need a lot of forebearance from them, especially if we want to start, or seize, a different thread every month.

At least we wouldn't be straining their equipment with a thousand mile train.

694 posted on 08/01/2005 5:23:36 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Yeah, will have to broach the subject carefully about it.


695 posted on 08/01/2005 5:27:06 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Tax-chick
"...unless you put them down a mine ..."

Tunnels, my dear. Tunnels. Of course, even then, the secret can't be kept for long.

Just long enough, though! It's a very tense situation, not at all the way the book starts out.

You do have a place you can keep it under lock and key, don't you?

696 posted on 08/01/2005 5:29:40 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Monkey Face
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697 posted on 08/01/2005 5:32:33 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: NicknamedBob

will there be a troll worthy every month?


698 posted on 08/01/2005 5:34:27 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: scott0347

700?


699 posted on 08/01/2005 5:34:52 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: scott0347

700!!!!!


700 posted on 08/01/2005 5:35:12 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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