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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: fanfan

Hello!

What do you think of the castle?

And why doesn't my calendar show your holiday? Hmpf!


561 posted on 08/01/2005 12:27:53 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Darksheare

I can tell you: It's the source of your typsos! LOL!


562 posted on 08/01/2005 12:28:31 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: international american

"We would never leave an Aquinas fan with worthless shares. Your will be converted to preferred stock."

I want also a first indenture feature in case of eventual re-liquidation of UT Corp. And don't psycho babble me about its perpetuity nonsense.


563 posted on 08/01/2005 12:29:29 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: international american

Ah. I have always wanted to go to China, but I don't want to see the touristy things. I want to see the country. I guess they'll never allow that...


564 posted on 08/01/2005 12:29:41 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: TAquinas; international american

What? You're making money off the UT???? *GASP*


565 posted on 08/01/2005 12:30:51 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Darksheare

I know what you mean.
I need to make an appointment before I start hitting walls (more often).

Doccer....lol.


566 posted on 08/01/2005 12:33:33 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Monkey Face

*hoprrified Luke Skywalker scream*

NOOOoooooooooo!


567 posted on 08/01/2005 12:34:30 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: fanfan

Yuppers.
I see mainly scratches and blurs, but that is a different story entirely.


568 posted on 08/01/2005 12:35:08 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: TAquinas

"And don't psycho babble me"

Time has inexorably shown that the only existence which defines reality exists in stoic acquittals, which can neither be proven nor rendered spurious.........

How about THAT ????


569 posted on 08/01/2005 12:35:42 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Dead Corpse

A woman is a thing of beauty and an expense forever.


570 posted on 08/01/2005 12:38:12 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: Monkey Face

Actually, you can go anywhere you want in China, subject to transportation limitations. I don't think they will let you into government meetings, or their prisons tho : )


571 posted on 08/01/2005 12:38:23 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Monkey Face; NicknamedBob

"What? You're making money off the UT???? *GASP*"

It will cost plenty to be the first FReepers in outer space.


572 posted on 08/01/2005 12:40:37 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Monkey Face
What do you think of the castle?

It's beautiful. I especially like the moat, with the water garden on the edge of it. ;-)

And why doesn't my calendar show your holiday? Hmpf!

Because it's a stupid Canadian holiday, which celebrates what ever each city area wants it to celebrate.
No one really knows what it for.

All it really ever means is that summer is half over.
Earlier, I drove my son to his friends house, and saw but a few brave souls not lost in the depth of end of summer depression. (This is Canada, remember.)

What's up with you? Do you like the new kitchen?

573 posted on 08/01/2005 12:42:25 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: international american

Make sure to take a lot of pictures so when you get back home you can finally see what you saw.


574 posted on 08/01/2005 12:44:13 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: Darksheare

I just received a cute e mail. How can I post it here?

I ask, because you helped me post my first link. Thanks again, BTW.


575 posted on 08/01/2005 12:45:07 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: TAquinas

LOL!

My late ex- would agree totally! He never dreamed he would be contributing to my well-being AFTER he died! LOL!

(Sorry, but I just couldn't resist that...)


576 posted on 08/01/2005 12:48:56 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: fanfan

Depends upon the e-mail itself.
If it is text, it is a simple cut and paste.
If it is something other than text, I'm not truly sure.


577 posted on 08/01/2005 12:48:59 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Monkey Face

I'm still waiting for its first dividend payout.

Their usual excuse is that all profits will be reinvested and then re-reinvested for the benefit of future UTers.

Seems my blue chips are turning green.


578 posted on 08/01/2005 12:49:56 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: international american

WOW! Really? Anywhere? That's different, then. I'll go any time I can get the money...I'd like to spend about six months just looking.


579 posted on 08/01/2005 12:50:27 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Darksheare

Thank you again.
It was not just text, but transfered to that with a copy and paste.

Here it comes, enjoy!


580 posted on 08/01/2005 12:50:54 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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