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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Darksheare

Look what you did! You got a 00! WOO-HOO!


4,301 posted on 08/20/2005 1:36:15 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

There was a pic of a short nose leaf frog the other day.. and I am trying to remember what thread it as on.
*sigh*
I did save the pic though.


4,302 posted on 08/20/2005 1:36:22 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Monkey Face

How could you NOT belong? You understand weird speak. LOL


4,303 posted on 08/20/2005 1:36:29 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Monkey Face

I just noticed that..
Had a browser burp and had to refresh like crazy to see it.


4,304 posted on 08/20/2005 1:37:48 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Monkey Face

Darkchylde has a frog sachet, various stuffed frogs and several figurines, one that's pewter. We have to watch TV specials on frogs too.


4,305 posted on 08/20/2005 1:38:47 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yah...come to think of it...Did Darksheare tell you of my typos when he lurks?

Now THAT's wierd!

They disappear when he posts something or when he's on another thread, but if he lurks, I can't type. AND! I understand his typos! LOL!


4,306 posted on 08/20/2005 1:40:09 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I also have a pewter frog! Less than an inch high. I have stuffed ones, photos, glass ones, crystal, plastic, hanging frogs and a frog-themed bathroom...note pads, wrapping paper, gift bags, notebooks...you name it...I've been collecting them since I was a new bride...;o]


4,307 posted on 08/20/2005 1:43:33 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

He didn't tell me. Seems there's more than one "connection" going on.


4,308 posted on 08/20/2005 1:44:18 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Strange stuff, that. I'll be making mistakes right and left, and then it dawns on me that he's lurking, and I can say, "OK, Darks...I know you're there," and he will post!

Wierd.


4,309 posted on 08/20/2005 1:49:25 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

Darkchyldes pewter frog is less than an inch too. She got it at the Jersey Shore. Cape May, I think. She just said she has earrings, a soap dish, cups and bowls, calendar, a shirt and I forgot what else she said. LOL Oh, no glass ones she says. And she has websites bookmarked that have frog calls.


4,310 posted on 08/20/2005 1:50:16 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Monkey Face

His typos get worse if Darkchylde is standing behind him. LOL


4,311 posted on 08/20/2005 1:51:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I have several pairs of frog earrings, and even a bracelet, as well as a frog planter. I have key chains and bean bags...frog patterns, and a few websites...my son and my sister always give me frogs for special occasions. I have an enameled frog, a brass one, frog calendars and pillows. Even a nightgown (which I don't wear!)

I even had a chocolate frog...still have the box and the foil...


4,312 posted on 08/20/2005 1:55:28 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

LOL!


4,313 posted on 08/20/2005 1:55:51 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Monkey Face

Yeah, if sis walks within 15 feet of me, typos spring into being like strange quantum particales.
I chalk that up to the 'sister field' or something.


4,314 posted on 08/20/2005 1:55:53 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: KMB

Look, we get the OBLoonies smacked around to putting their country first, we'll be jus' fine thanks for the concern!


4,315 posted on 08/20/2005 1:56:53 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think you're having a bad day, try crucifixtion.)
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To: trubluolyguy

Sure will be nice when you catch up with the "Pack"...


4,316 posted on 08/20/2005 1:58:44 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Darksheare

Well, that explains YOUR typos, but it sure doesn't explain MINE when you lurk! LOL!


4,317 posted on 08/20/2005 1:59:36 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face
I try to buy her frogs as gifts but we have a small apartment and there's no room. We're trying to move but it's not gone so well.

Darkchylde also loves delicate fairies with wings.

4,318 posted on 08/20/2005 2:01:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

LOL!

WHOA! My daughter collects fairies!


4,319 posted on 08/20/2005 2:03:34 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face
I'll be bock!

Oooh! Can I be Bach?!

4,320 posted on 08/20/2005 2:03:53 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline on eBay with changE I found in my soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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