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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Dead Corpse; A CA Guy
I'm starting to believe that no factor is more important than dietary health.

Unfortunately, there is much disagreement about what a healthy diet is. I therefore concentrate on nutritional and herbal supplements to keep my system healthy.

Vitamins C and E are almost a necessity, but I also use those herbal supplements which are said to be good for the heart and circulation, garlic and cayenne pepper, (both taken in pill form).

Each of us has a body which is an experiment in longevity and geriatric treatments. Good luck with yours!

Here's something else for a worst case scenario; try to get things done. Finish up those long-forgotten projects that have been taking forever, (because you don't have it), or just get rid of them. Arrange for your absence -- insurance, remember?

Then, if that is taken care of, enjoy life right up to the hilt! Be ready to go, when the trumpet sounds, with a smile and a joyous heart.

1,201 posted on 08/06/2005 6:04:21 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob; Monkey Face; Dead Corpse; Darksheare; A CA Guy; King Prout; sionnsar

Good morning.


1,202 posted on 08/06/2005 8:28:20 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Morning! (yawn)


1,203 posted on 08/06/2005 8:34:19 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

How are you doing, sionnsar?


1,204 posted on 08/06/2005 8:37:44 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76
I am really dragging today. I may just go back to bed....

How about you?

1,205 posted on 08/06/2005 8:42:04 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: tuliptree76

Good Morning!

It's a beautiful day here. I have laundry to do, but I hate to spoil my moments of indolence.


1,206 posted on 08/06/2005 8:48:38 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: sionnsar

I'm doing okay. I'm trying to motivate myself to get something accomplished.


1,207 posted on 08/06/2005 8:48:45 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

I hear you. I've a concrete walkway that needs to be broken up and removed. But just don't really want to do it today... besides, it's feeling like it's going to be a hot one today...


1,208 posted on 08/06/2005 8:51:05 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar; NicknamedBob

Winston and I have to pack today for our little road trip tomorrow. And I have to finish cleaning the apartment.


1,209 posted on 08/06/2005 8:52:47 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Ugh. Stood up a few minutes and felt dizzy...


1,210 posted on 08/06/2005 9:04:34 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Uh oh! Maybe you should go lay back down.


1,211 posted on 08/06/2005 9:06:50 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Yah, I'm thinking so...


1,212 posted on 08/06/2005 9:11:08 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Have a good rest. I hope you feel better.


1,213 posted on 08/06/2005 9:14:25 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Thanks. Still up in the computer room -- can't type so well on the laptop in bed. :-) But ugh... I can feel the heat coming in from outside already.


1,214 posted on 08/06/2005 9:22:26 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar; tuliptree76
"I've a concrete walkway that needs to be broken up and removed."

Two words -- "Tom Sawyer"

Okay, more than two words. Put a large sign out by the curb. "Test your strength ... 25 cents! Prizes given! Authentic 2005 Berlin Wall Certificates!"

Then set up a lemonade stand in the shade. If all else fails, drink the lemonade.

1,215 posted on 08/06/2005 9:26:16 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob
Put a large sign out by the curb.

LOL. First, install a curb.

We live on a cul-de-sac in a rather rural and hard-to-find place. Most of the cars we see are... simply lost.

1,216 posted on 08/06/2005 9:43:55 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Plan "B" ... sell squirrels.


1,217 posted on 08/06/2005 9:47:37 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob
Sorry... we have an excess of same. Lost power a few days ago because one found its way into a substation transformer.

Interestingly, we've had grays for a long time. But recently (last year?) I've started seeing smaller, black squirrels around.

1,218 posted on 08/06/2005 9:57:38 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: All; Monkey Face

Time to go finish that ping banner. "Spawn of the Undead Thread: The August Chronicles"


1,219 posted on 08/06/2005 10:01:17 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar; tuliptree76

It's a reference to the recent movie, "Rat Race" with John Cleese.

In the movie, a lady gets a lot of "lost" people. She tries to supplement her income by selling squirrels.

She also gives directions, but if you don't buy a squirrel, you don't get good directions!


1,220 posted on 08/06/2005 10:37:20 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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