[Ichneumon]

This has been my point all along. Too many evos lack understanding and argue for a religious world view of evolution instead of using logical and scientific reason.

I see that charge laid *FAR* more often than it actually applies.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I see that charge laid *FAR* more often than it actually applies.

Just play a little logic game for one moment please, and describe to me, from a logical perspective, Darwinism standing on its own without ID support.

Since Darwinism (in this exercise), as a logical construct, has to exist on its own, only tools and observations outside the domain of ID are allowable. This is because, at the current time (as Darwinists have a habit of telling me), ID is neither testable nor falsifiable (though that may change in the near future).

It follows, therefore, that the only way to insure no ID impurities taint the Darwinist experiments and observations, all ID tools must be excluded.

If Darwinism cannot stay within the logical outlines (as mentioned above) and still supports the notion that ID is wrong, then we are leaving the realm of logical reasoning and entering the non-empirical kingdom of religious reasoning.