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To: Frumious Bandersnatch; jennyp
Just play a little logic game for one moment please,

I'd be glad to, but your following ramble is far from the realm of actual logic.

and describe to me, from a logical perspective, Darwinism standing on its own without ID support. Since Darwinism (in this exercise), as a logical construct, has to exist on its own,

No it doesn't.

only tools and observations outside the domain of ID are allowable.

Wrong.

This is because, at the current time (as Darwinists have a habit of telling me), ID is neither testable nor falsifiable (though that may change in the near future).

A specific enough ID hypothesis would be testable, but the problem is that ID proponents never want to be pinned down that far -- for obvious reasons. ID *as* the ID proponents try to put it forth is indeed non-testable.

It follows, therefore, that the only way to insure no ID impurities taint the Darwinist experiments and observations, all ID tools must be excluded.

Complete twaddle. Try to actually understand a topic before you blather about it.

If Darwinism cannot stay within the logical outlines (as mentioned above)

Your meandering is hardly "logical".

and still supports the notion that ID is wrong,

The point is not that ID is "wrong". Try to remain coherent.

The application of intelligence in the analysis of evolution -- or any other field of knowledge -- is in no way "tainted" by the unrelated observation that the notion of "ID" as put forth by the IDers is so poorly developed that it's an untestable hypothesis. Nor does that observation somehow make the application of intelligent analysis into any sort of "religion", as you goofily claim next:

then we are leaving the realm of logical reasoning and entering the non-empirical kingdom of religious reasoning.

Yeah, sure. Now run off and play with your other ID friends. Leave the science to people who actually understand something about epistemology.

286 posted on 07/22/2005 8:12:44 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
I've given you a logical construct that you obviously believe is faulty? Rather than show me how it is logically faulty, you avoid answering by engaging in pretty much ad-hominem attacks. If you can't logically answer me, please say so.

I'd also be very interested in hearing your explanation of just why Darwinism, which denies ID, has to exist with ID (at least, that is the meaning I get from your interesting reply).
315 posted on 07/23/2005 1:17:37 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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