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Please post excerpts from the Koran here

Posted on 07/19/2005 8:35:56 AM PDT by quesney

This thread could serve as a nice intro to others like me who are very uninformed about Islam and the Koran. I'm planning to begin going through what I hope is an accurate translation of the Koran next weekend to get a sense of just how much a "Religion of Peace" Islam really is. I'd appreciate a preview -- as many excerpts over as wide a scope you can provide. The more comprehensive the better, to give a more complete sense of this book rather than distortion (I mean, the Bible, for one, has its own unpleasant warlike chapters such as the New Testament). Let's have a wide-spanning review here. I think more of us need to know just what we're dealing with and just what Islam is, instead of relying on what we've been told it is.


1 posted on 07/19/2005 8:35:57 AM PDT by quesney
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To: quesney

...sorry, I obviously meant warlike chapters in the ***Old Testament***, not the New Testament. My apologies.

2 posted on 07/19/2005 8:37:14 AM PDT by quesney
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4 posted on 07/19/2005 8:46:58 AM PDT by Horatio Gates (Ye olde roadside donuthouse hooligan)
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FWIW, a small suggestion. I recall reading some time ago ( I think it was a Daniel Pipes column) that there are several versions of the Arabic..let alone a few different translations of know the whole bit about the 70 virgins really being 70 raisins..or before you begin your studies I think you should devote some time to deciding which version AND translation you're going to use for your primary source..otherwies it's just GIGO..

5 posted on 07/19/2005 8:48:43 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: quesney

I suggest you read The Sword of Islam by Serge Trifkovic.

6 posted on 07/19/2005 8:52:10 AM PDT by indcons
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To: quesney
Islam is a religion of peace. There is no question about it. It can not be denied. Those who think it is not are wrong.

But, it is a religion of peace in the same way the Soviet Union viewed peace. The absence of opposition.

7 posted on 07/19/2005 9:08:11 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
8 posted on 07/19/2005 9:31:08 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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Bukhari [4:52:176]
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Bukhari [4:52:177]
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari [4:56:791]
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

Muslim [41:6981]
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him.

Muslim [41:6982]
Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):" There is a Jew behind me."

Muslim [41:6983]
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

Muslim [41:6984]
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

Muslim [41:6985]
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

9 posted on 07/19/2005 9:45:58 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: dennisw; Shermy; Grampa Dave; Yehuda; Lazamataz; Eaker
If somebody with the skill wants to, perhaps they could size and combine these three images into one? After trimming off the bottom of the Muslim Mein Kampf in the middle.

10 posted on 07/19/2005 9:58:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- ---)
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Chronology of early Islam

     Notice how closely Islam's inception is associated with war. From 623 to 777, a span of 154 years, there are 83 military conflicts involving the Muslims...and that is just what I have recorded here.  Is Islam a religion of peace?  Muslims tell me it is.  But....

  • 570 - Birth of Muhammad in Mecca into the tribe of Quraish.
  • 577 - Muhammad's mother dies
  • 580 - Death of Abdul Muttalib, Muhammad's grandfather.
  • 583 - First journey to Syria with a trading Caravan
  • 595 - Muhammad marries Khadijah a rich widow several years older than him.
  • 595 - Second journey to Syra
  • 598 - His son, Qasim, is born
  • 600 - His daughter, Zainab, is born
  • 603 - His daughter, Um-e-Kalthum, is born
  • 604 - His daughter, Ruqayya, is born
  • 605 - Placement of Black Stone in Ka'aba.
  • 605 - His daughter, Fatima, is born
  • 610 - Mohammed, in a cave on Mt. Hira, hears the angel Gabriel tell him that 
             Allah is the only true God.
  • 613 - Muhammad's first public preaching of Islam at Mt. Hira.  Gets few converts.
  • 615 - Muslims persecuted by the Quraish.
  • 619 - Marries Sau'da and Aisha
  • 620 - Institution of five daily prayers
  • 622 - Muhammad immigrates from Mecca to Medina, which was then called Yathrib, gets
             more converts.
  • 623 - Battle of Waddan
  • 623 - Battle of Safwan 
  • 623 - Battle of Dul-'Ashir
  • 624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement. 
  • 624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
  • 624 - Battle of Badr 
  • 624 - Battle of Bani Salim 
  • 624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr 
  • 624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa' 
  • 624 - Battle of Sawiq 
  • 624 - Battle of Ghatfan 
  • 624 - Battle of Bahran
  • 625 - Battle of Uhud.  70 Muslims are killed.
  • 625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad 
  • 625 - Battle of Banu Nudair 
  • 625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
  • 626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra 
  • 626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal 
  • 626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
  • 627 - Battle of the Trench
  • 627 - Battle of Ahzab 
  • 627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza 
  • 627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan 
  • 627 - Battle of Ghaiba 
  • 627 - Battle of Khaibar
  • 628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish. 
  • 630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.  
  • 630 - Battle of Hunsin. 
  • 630 - Battle of Tabuk
  • 632 - Muhammad dies.
  • 632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammad's father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to
             enforce Islam in Arabia.
  • 633 - Battle at Oman
  • 633 - Battle at Hadramaut. 
  • 633 - Battle of Kazima
  • 633 - Battle of Walaja
  • 633 - Battle of Ulleis
  • 633 - Battle of Anbar
  • 634 - Battle of Basra, 
  • 634 - Battle of Damascus
  • 634 - Battle of Ajnadin. 
  • 634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph. 
  • 634 - Battle of Namaraq
  • 634 - Battle of Saqatia.
  • 635 - Battle of Bridge. 
  • 635 - Battle of Buwaib. 
  • 635 - Conquest of Damascus. 
  • 635 - Battle of Fahl.
  • 636 - Battle of Yermuk. 
  • 636 - Battle of Qadsiyia. 
  • 636 - Conquest of Madain.
  • 637 - Battle of Jalula.
  • 638 - Battle of Yarmouk.  
  • 638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.  
  • 638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
  • 639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
  • 641 - Battle of Nihawand
  • 642 - Battle of Rayy in Persia
  • 643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
  • 644 - Conquest of Fars
  • 644 - Conquest of Kharan. 
  • 644 - Umar is murdered.  Othman becomes the Caliph.
  • 647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
  • 644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
  • 648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
  • 651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
  • 654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
  • 656 - Uthman is murdered.  Ali become Caliph.
  • 658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
  • 659 - Conquest of Egypt
  • 661 - Ali is murdered.
  • 662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
  • 666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
  • 677 - Siege of Constantinople
  • 687 - Battle of Kufa
  • 691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
  • 700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
  • 700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
  • 702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
  • 711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
  • 711 - Conquest of Spain
  • 713 - Conquest of Multan
  • 716 - Invasion of Constantinople
  • 732 - Battle of Tours in France.
  • 740 - Battle of the Nobles.
  • 741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
  • 744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
  • 746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
  • 748 - Battle of Rayy.
  • 749 - Battle of lsfahan
  • 749 - Battle of Nihawand
  • 750 - Battle of Zab
  • 772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
  • 777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
  • Miller, William M., A Christian's Response to Islam, Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing, Phillipsburg, New Jersey, 1976.
  • Geisler, Norman, Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Baker Books, 1999.
  • Glasse, Cyril, The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc. San Francisco, 1989.
  • Morey, Robert, The Islamic Invasion, Harvest House Publishers, Eugene Oregon, 1992.



.570 CE: Early Islam - Born in Mecca, Muhammad is the founder of Islam, which has profound influence on Africa, India, western Asia and Europe. He is considered by Muslims to be God's last and greatest prophet. The Koran (Qur'an), 114 chapters of Muhammad's divinely inspired revelations, is the Islamic scripture, which resembles Judaism and Christianity -- two religions that largely influence Muhammad. These three religions are the world's only monotheistic faiths.

610 CE: Early Islam - Originally adhering to a polytheistic notion of the divine, Muhammad has a religious experience that changes not only his life, but the history of a large part of the world. He hears a divine voice, later believed to be the angel Gabriel of the Christian religion, tell him that Allah is the only god. He receives further instructions to adopt the name of "Prophet" and convert the Quaraish to accept the monotheism.

622 CE: Early Islam - The Quaraishs resist the new religion. Muhammad and his small band of followers migrate to the town of Yathrib in the north, which is open to his new faith. The Hijrah of 622, the migration, marks the beginning of the Muslim era. After making himself ruler, Muhammad changes the name of the town to Medina ("city of the Prophet"), and Medina becomes the seat of the caliphate.

630 CE: Early Islam - Muhammad and his followers overtake Mecca. With the Quaraish in submission, the Kabah, the central place of worship for Arabian tribes, becomes the main shrine of Islam.

632 CE: Early Islam - With the death of Muhammad, his father-in-law, Abu-Bakr, and Umar devise a system in which Islam can sustain religious and political stability. Accepting the name of caliph ("deputy of the Prophet"), Abu-Bakr begins a military exhibition to enforce the caliph's authority over Arabian followers of Muhammad. He thereafter moves northward overtaking Byzantine and Persian forces. Abu-Bakr dies two years following his succession of Muhammad. Umar succeeds him as the second caliph and begins a campaign against the neighboring empires.

637 CE: Early Islam - The Arabs occupy the Persian capital of Ctesiphon. By 651, the entire Persian realm is under the rule of Islam as it continues its westward expansion.

638 CE: Early Islam - The Romans are defeated at the Battle of Yarmouk and the Muslims enter Palestine. Before entering Jerusalem, Caliph Umar forms a covenant with the Jews, pledging protection of their religious freedom. The Muslims continue their conquest of Syria, Lebanon and Iraq, which is completed in 641 CE.

641 CE: Early Islam - Islam spreads into Egypt. The Catholic Archbishop invites the Muslims to help free Egypt from Roman oppressors. This exemplifies the alliances formed between Muslims, Christians and Jews due to the Muslims' establishment of religious freedom for Christians and Jews. Muslim conquest is based on liberation, rather than subjugation, of conquered peoples. Egypt, Persia and the Fertile Crescent are ruled by the four "Righteous Caliphs" until 662 CE.

644 CE: Early Islam - Umar dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman, a member of the Umayyad family which rejected Muhammad's prophesies. Rallies arise to establish Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law, as caliph.

654 CE: Early Islam - Islam spreads into all of North Africa.

656 CE: Early Islam - Caliph Uthman is murdered, and Ali becomes the new caliph.

661 CE: Early Islam - Not satisfied with Ali, Uthman's followers murder Ali. One of Uthman's relations takes the title of caliph, and Damascus replaces Medina for the seat of the caliphate. The Umayyad family rules Islam until 750. Ali's followers form a religious party called Shiites and insist that only descendants of Ali deserve the title of caliph or deserve any authority over Muslims. The opposing party, the Sunnites, insist on the customs of the historical evolution of the caliphate rather than a hereditary descent of spiritual authority.

662 CE: Early Islam - Egypt falls under the control of the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates until 868 CE. A year prior, the Fertile Crescent and Persia yield to the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates, whose reigns last until 1258 CE and 820 CE, respectively.

669 CE: Early Islam - The Muslim conquest reaches to Morocco in North Africa. The region is open to the rule of the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates until 800 CE.

700 CE: Early Islam - The beginning of the eighth century sees the rise of Islamic mysticism. Known as Sufism, this tradition is marked by the individual's effort to establish an intimate relationship with Allah. One of the most critical passages of the Koran for Sufis is verse 7:172 which describes the covenant between God and the individual's soul before the creation of the universe. Renunciation is more than a rejection of the material realm; its objective is a level of freedom that promotes harmony with one's physical life, resulting in mystical union.

710 CE: Early Islam - Tariq ibn Malik crosses the straight separating Africa and Europe with a group of Muslims and enters Spain. A year later, 7000 Muslim men invade Gibraltar. Almost the entire Iberian peninsula is under Islamic control by 718 CE.

711 CE: Early Islam - With the further conquest of Egypt, Spain and North Africa, Islam includes all of the Persian empire and most of the old Roman world under Islamic rule.

711 CE: Early Islam - Muslims begin the conquest of Sindh in Afghanistan. Until 962 CE, Afghanistan witnesses different regional rules, periodically controlled by the Umayyad and the Abbasid caliphates and other locally-based rulers.

717 CE: Early Islam - The Umayyads attempt to conquer the Byzantine capital and fail, resulting in the weakening of the Umayyad government.

732 CE: Early Islam - At the Battle of Poitiers, Islamic expansion is halted in France but continues into parts of Asia and Africa.

750 CE: Early Islam - The Abbasids overtake the rule of the Islamic world (except for Spain which falls under the rule of a descendant of the Umayyad family) and move the capital to Baghdad in Iraq. Their orientation resembles Persian absolutism. The Arabian Nights, a compilation of stories written under the reign of the Abbasids, is representative of the lifestyle and administration of this Persian influenced government. Abd al-Rahman of the Umayyad dynasty flees to Spain to escape the Abbasids and is responsible for the "Golden Caliphate" in Spain, the greatest Islamic civilization yet known.

768 CE: Early Islam - Formerly passed down as an oral record, the history of Muhammad is first recorded by the historian Ishaq ibn Yasar.

786 CE: Early Islam - Caliph Harun al-Rashid, a major figure in the Arabian Nights, rules until 809 CE.

789 CE: Early Islam - With the Idrisid dynasty of Morocco, which lasts until 985 CE, local rulers begin to control North Africa.

800 CE: Early Islam - North Africa falls under the rule of the Aghlabi dynasty of Tunis, which lasts until 909 CE.

819 CE: Early Islam - Persian unity begins to disintegrate with the Samanid rulers in Northern Persia, whose rule in this region lasts until 1055 CE. One year later, the Tharid dynasty begins to control Khorastan (lasting until 874 CE), and in 864 CE, the Alid dynasty begins rule over Tabaristan (lasting until 1032 CE).

827 CE: Early Islam - Aghlabi rulers of Tunis begin conquests of Sicily which last until 878 CE.

857 CE: Early Islam - Sufi Al-Muhasibi introduces the study of conscience into Sufism.

865 CE: Early Islam - Rhazes discovers the difference between measles and smallpox. He is considered the greatest physician of medieval times. Rhazes dies in 925 CE.

868 CE: Early Islam - The Sattarid dynasty, whose rule continues until 930 CE, extends control throughout most of Persia. In Egypt, the Abbasid and Umayyad caliphates are ended and rule turns to Egyptian-based control with the beginning of the Tulunid dynasty (lasting until 904 CE).

877 CE: Early Islam - Syria and different sects of Lebanon are ruled periodically by the Tulunid, the Ikhidid, the Fatimid and the Ayyubid dynasties of Egypt until 1250 CE.

879 CE: Early Islam - The Seljuk Empire unites Mesopotamia and a large portion of Persia.

900 CE: Early Islam - The Fatimids of Egypt overtake north Africa and include the territory as an extension of Egypt until 972 CE.

909 CE: Early Islam - Sicily falls under the control of the Fatimids' united rule of North Africa and Egypt until 1071 CE. From 878 until 909 CE, the rule of Sicily is uncertain.

935 CE: Early Islam - Until 969 CE, the rule of Egypt is under the Ikhidid dynasty.

945 CE: Early Islam - A Shiite band invades Baghdad, and the Abbasid Empire becomes a powerless symbol of unity and legitimate government to the Muslim community. Until the sixteenth century, rule of Islamic civilization is decentralized and different sects are ruled by different rulers.

950 CE: Early Islam - Al-Farabi, the greatest of the faylasufs (Arabic for philosopher), lives most of his life in Baghdad and teaches that the enlightened individual could perfect his life through philosophy without being corrupted by the common beliefs of the public.

962 CE: Early Islam - Afghanistan is stabilized by the rule of the Ghaznavid dynasty which lasts until 1186 CE.

972 CE: Early Islam - North Africa is under the control of the Zayri rulers in Tunis. Their control lasts until 1148 CE, much longer than the Aghlabi rulers were able to sustain control.

969 CE: Early Islam - The Fatimid dynasty assumes the title of caliphate in Egypt until 1171 CE.

997 CE: Early Islam - Mahmud, ruler of a Turkish dynasty in Gujarat, conducts seventeen raids into northwestern India before his death in 1030. He is named the "Sword of Islam."

1037 CE: Early Islam - Avicenna, a faylasufs in the east, teaches a rationalistic philosophy which borders Sufi mysticism. Also a physician, Avicenna discovers that disease can be spread through the contamination of water and that tuberculosis is contagious. Among his medical writings, the Canon is accepted as authoritative until the late seventeenth century.

1037 CE: Early Islam - A region of Persia, Azerbajjan, falls under the rule of the Sajid dynasty. Azerbajjan is periodically ruled by different rulers from the end of the Seljuk Empire until 1502.

1056 CE: Early Islam - The Al-Moravi rulers of Morocco begin control over North Africa (lasting until 1147 CE).

1077 CE: Early Islam - The Seljuk, a Turkish dynasty, disrupts political and social structures formed by the Abbasids. The Seljuks extend their control over most of the Arab and Persian regions.

1100 CE: Early Islam - Islamic rule is weakened due to power struggles among Islamic leaders and the Christian crusades.

1100 CE: Early Islam - Afghanistan falls under the control of Ghorid rulers until 1215 CE.

1123 CE: Early Islam - The greatest of the Islamic poets is a Persian named Umar Khayyam. His poem The Rubaiyat is most popular in the West due to its use by Victorian Edward Fitzgerald.

1126 CE: Early Islam - In Spain, the Aristotelian Averroes of Cordova is the last important Islamic philosopher. He supports the official faith in public and is an extreme rationalist outside of the public realm. He dies in 1198 CE.

1130 CE: Early Islam - Until 1269, the Al-Mohad dynasty rules North Africa.

1168 CE: Early Islam - The Ayyubid dynasty rules Egypt until 1250 CE.

1187 CE: Early Islam - Muslim general Salah al-Kin al-Ayyubi, in Egypt, ends the Christian crusades.

1228 CE: Early Islam - The Haisi rulers of Tunis in North Africa assume control.

1248 CE: Early Islam - Muslim control of Spain is reduced to the Kingdom of Granada, which survives for more than two centuries more.

1251 CE: Early Islam - The last of the Egyptian-based dynasties, the Mamluk dynasty takes the caliphate until 1517 when Egypt falls under the control of the Ottoman Turkish Empire.

1258 CE: Early Islam - The Abbasid period is completely ended with the destruction of Baghdad by the Mongols.

1327 CE: Early Islam - With the disintegration of the Seljuk Empire, the Arab and Persian regions are fragmented into several military kingdoms until 1500. The Ottoman Turkish Empire establishes its capital at Bursa.

1453 CE: Early Islam - The Ottomans defeat the Byzantine Empire and continue expanding into the Balkans. The Ottoman Turkish Empire moves its capital from Bursa to Istanbul (Constantinople). After 1500, the Moguls (1526-1857 CE) and the Safavids (1520-1736 CE) follow the military example set by the Ottomans and create two new empires.

1492 CE: Early Islam - Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile, later benefactors of Christopher Columbus, end Muslim rule in Spain.


11 posted on 07/19/2005 10:11:32 AM PDT by dennisw (See the primitive wallflower freeze, When the jelly-faced women all sneeze)
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To: quesney

Chapter 5, Verse 32: "[I]f anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land—it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people."

Chapter 3, verse 172, of the Koran: "Of those who answered the call of Allah and the messenger, even after being wounded, those who do right and refrain from wrong have a great reward."

Chapter 2, Verse 190: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors."

12 posted on 07/19/2005 2:50:29 PM PDT by TBP
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