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To: donh

So, you approve of stem cell research of humans? From the 2nd trimester fetus, zygote, and all steps in between?

And so what about the Trial of Galileo?

This was performed before simple things like "innocent until proven guilty" came about.

Talking about the judgement of someone so long ago is foolish. Especially if it's your only example.

Why don't we modernize that a bit, Eh? How about the 1930's in Europe. Evolutionary theory has been around for a while by then. As a matter of fact, many politcal parties adopted it as part of their platforms. Can you think of any of them? I sure can.

Or even a step away from evolution: secular thought and reasoning. Hmm, yup, got another party just east of that first one that came to mind.


121 posted on 07/06/2005 10:05:27 AM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: MacDorcha
Talking about the judgement of someone so long ago is foolish. Especially if it's your only example.

Slovokian priests, dressed in their livery, loaded slovakian jews up for the camps for Hitler's ovens. Followed by confession, and mass absolution. German and Austrian catholic churches collated and delivered their birth and death records to the SS, to help ferret jews out of the general population--something they were able to refuse to do, when it came to jews who had converted to christianity. Is that contemporary enough for you?

132 posted on 07/06/2005 10:33:55 AM PDT by donh (qua)
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To: MacDorcha
And so what about the Trial of Galileo?

This was performed before simple things like "innocent until proven guilty" came about.

Let's just terminate this conversation, if you can't figure out why I mention the Trail of Galileo, with reference to what creationists are capable of doing to arbitrarily suppress scientific study if they become political ascendent. Innocent until proved guilty is a US constitional idea, and is not universally shared in Western Europe even as we speak. It is also, as best I can figure out, utterly unrelated to this argument.

134 posted on 07/06/2005 10:41:33 AM PDT by donh (qua)
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To: MacDorcha; donh
Why don't we modernize that a bit, Eh? How about the 1930's in Europe. Evolutionary theory has been around for a while by then. As a matter of fact, many politcal parties adopted it as part of their platforms. Can you think of any of them? I sure can.

Would you like me to show you a copy of Hitler's private handwritten notes, where he credited the Bible for his notion of Racial Purity, but never mentioned Darwin? How about the SS uniform button that is imprinted with the slogan "God Is With Us"?

Or would you like to drop the usual creationist canard that somehow evolutionary biology was Hitler's inspiration?

Or even a step away from evolution: secular thought and reasoning. Hmm, yup, got another party just east of that first one that came to mind.

You obviously have something against thinking and reasoning, but in any case, that "another party just East of that first one" explicitly rejected Darwinian evolution, so perhaps your attempted point falls flat on its face.

Try some new material instead of the usual propaganda.

Or, and I know this is a shockingly original suggestion for a creationist to consider, perhaps you might want to try just discussing the actual science for a change instead of trying to smear it through cheap innuendo.

156 posted on 07/06/2005 11:39:05 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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