Billy Graham Supports Pro-Choice Senator and Ex-President

Canada Free Press ^ | Thursday, June 30, 2005 | Nathan Tabor

[Alexander Rubin]

Over the years I have appreciated and admired what Billy Graham has stood for and against. His integrity has been near perfect. When most evangelists have slipped or stuck their foot in their mouth Billy Graham has stood on the Word of God, without wavering.

During the past six decades, his message of Jesus Christ has been heard by over 210 million in 185 countries. He has been counsel to presidents, a passionate evangelist, a loving husband, and a caring father.

This past weekend in New York, it was Graham’s much-anticipated last revival. Instead of focusing on his revival, Graham used it as a launching pad for something else: The Clintons.

Graham and the Clintons?

Pro-Life meets Pro-Choice? Pro-Family meets Pro-Gay?

Yes, you read it right. It took me several minutes to digest the thought and I still haven’t adjusted to it. Billy Graham had my admiration and respect for his foundation in morality and values. What is he doing?

[rwfromkansas]

Was Jesus loving when he cast the money changers out of the temple?

[righttackle44]

"This is not news, why have so many people been deceived by this man?????"

This is NOT Time Magazine nor is it MSNBC. Please document your statements. Deceived? When? What was the nature of the deception? Who was deceived? Where did this deception take place? Why did Dr. Graham deceive anyone and what were his motives?

We're waiting. Tick. . .tick. . .tick. . .tick. . .

[righttackle44]

"I hope Graham is up to something. Because if this is to be taken at face value, it's VERY disappointing."

Because a man who puts truth and integrity above a lot of other things and doesn't abandon friends simply because his friendships don't happen to coincide with someone's political positions or opinions?

Someone's beginning to sound like a Democrat. Apparently someone who believes that others should be able to control opinions and statements that disagree with theirs.

What if he's NOT up to something? What if chooses to stand by people he likes--people who don't agree with our political positions?

[P-Marlowe]

Was Jesus loving when he cast the money changers out of the temple?

Who appointed you to fulfill that mission?

Is that what you are doing here RW? Are you tossing out the moneychangers? Is Billy Graham a "moneychanger"? Has Billy Graham defiled YOUR temple?

BTW, do you love Billy Graham?

Heck, RW we are called to love our enemies and many here would not treat an enemy in the manner in which they treat Billy Graham.

What has Billy Graham done to you personally that has caused you to have such scorn for him?

There are picketers at every Crusade that stand outside with signs saying "Billy Graham is the Anti-Christ" and "Billy Graham Leads people to Hell."

Do you wish to be numbered among those who stand on the outside of the crusade yelling "Billy Graham is the Anti-Christ" or those on the inside who sing "Just as I am".?

It's your call.

[Just mythoughts]

The impact of the Clintons and there lifestyle had such a negative impact on my daughter that at age 11 we took her and her brothers to see the sights of WDC.

My daughter refused to look at the White House because of the Clintons and their perversion. Then her friends at school who are part of this ministries have the same attitude about the pervert as the Rev did gave her a questioning mind about what they teach.

Now you tell me as a parent how to teach an 11 year old that this man is a man of Christ when at the same time I am showing her what is Written?

[rwfromkansas]

We are all called to call out false teachers and keep the pure truth.

I have not commented about his Clinton comments. I don't care about that...those were jokes.

But, I do care when I see something that seems to be inconsistent with orthodox Christian doctrine.

[P-Marlowe]

Now you tell me as a parent how to teach an 11 year old that this man is a man of Christ when at the same time I am showing her what is Written?

What? Are you without sin?

Do you love Bill Clinton? Did you pray for him while he was president? Have you never committed a sin like Bill Clinton committed? Have you never lied? Have you never lusted? Have you never tried to cover your sins?

Are you aware that the heart of the king is in the hand of God? Are you not aware of the fact that God chose Bill Clinton to be our president during that time and probably because as a nation we deserved him?

Bill Clinton was nothing more than a pawn in the hands of God. All rulers are. Have you not read Romans?

Clinton was a flawed man. God chose for our nation to be ruled at that time by a flawed man. We did not deserve better. We still don't. We can only thank God that he allowed us to have GWB for the last few years. But it's friday and Sunday's coming. Unless we turn to God as a nation, I suspect that the next president of this country will also have the last name of Clinton.

Instead of ragging on Billy Graham, you should be thanking God that here in America we can have Crusades where people from dozens of denominations can come together in love for a single purpose-- to proclaim the Good News Of Christ to a lost world. And that lost world contains flawed people like Bill Clinton and flawed people like you and flawed people like me.

And those are just my thoughts.

[P-Marlowe]

We are all called to call out false teachers and keep the pure truth.

IOW you will stand on the outside of the Crusade with those who yell "Billy Graham sends people to hell" or Billy Graham is the Anti-Christ"?

Do you have a sign?

[Just mythoughts]

This nation was damaged by the likes of Clintons and their liberal ideology and that is not of Christ.

We are alll sinners and the requirement for forgiveness is repentance and I have seen NO repentance out of either of the Clintons for their NATIONAL sins. Those hold a different weight than an individual sin. I am not required to broadcast my sins and thus far I have not committed any that I have not repented for nor have I blamed them upon others.

Again I ask you why you have a double standard requiring of me what you do not require of the Rev?

How do you know if the Rev has brought any to Christ, because I tell you he darn near turned my children off to the subject by propping up bjclinton.

What is this love you speak about, Christ was not this sweet baby Jesus and was very direct and to the point with His words about what love is.

[Just mythoughts]

"Bill Clinton was nothing more than a pawn in the hands of God. All rulers are. Have you not read Romans?"

I have read Romans more than once and, I do not see how you can say that bjclinton was a pawn of the Heavenly Father's.

Yes the Heavenly Father allowed bj and his wife to be president, and He did not stop them in their tracks, but would it not be more accurate to say it was a testing of the masses of which side they would take????

Seems 2/3rds failed miserably.

[P-Marlowe]

I have read Romans more than once and, I do not see how you can say that bjclinton was a pawn of the Heavenly Father's.

Then you need to read it again. Along with the following verse from Proverbs:

The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. (Pro 21:1 KJV)

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (Rom 13:1-7 KJV)

And don't try to tell me that Ceasar Nero was a better ruler than Clinton. Paul recognized that the all rulers (good or bad) are in place because He wants them in place for his purposes.

I can therefore say with assurance that God wanted Clinton to be our president and he wanted GWB to be our president. His purpose is served by both.

You may not like Bill Clinton, but by golly you are commanded by God to love him. You also may not like Billy Graham, but you are also commanded by God to love him.

As Americans we get the government we deserve. I only pray that we deserve better than Hillary. But I fear that our nation has turned from God and too often we ridicule and scoff at those who would actually turn us back to God. We judge other men by standards that are higher than we judge ourselves. Bill Clinton was a flawed man, but he was chosen by God to rule this nation for 8 years. Perhaps we could learn more by asking God why he chose Bill Clinton to rule us rather than wasting the next 20 years fuming over the fact that He did.

[Alexander Rubin]

Don't get me wrong. I have (though at this point I do have pending doubts) immense respect for Graham. But it's not this incident alone. I've heard of him drastically changing his stances on a number of issues.

I didn't say we should control his opinions or statements. I said it was disappointing. There's a difference. I am disappointed because a man I thought was a strong ally and a man who did so much for America (in my opinion) seems to be reversing his stance on many things drastically and rapidly. If he chooses to befriend and stand by people he likes even though they have differing positions, that's different. That's fine, and commendable. And I am sure almost every single person on FR does it. To a large degree.

It's the degree and rapidity of his seeming reversals that disappoints me. Nothing else. I did not say he shouldn't express himself and his opinions honestly, or that he shouldn't say such things. Don't read more into my statements than I've written. :D I'm disappointed if I consider his statements at face value, nothing else. Well, a little hungry as well, but thats unrelated.

[Just mythoughts]

I do not disagree with what we are told in Proverbs, or in Romans:

"The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. (Pro 21:1 KJV)

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (Rom 13:1-7 KJV)"


Yes sadly we American my majority vote do get what we deserve and that is the whole point of what Rev Graham missed when he propped up bjclinton by not separating himself from the perversion of clintons.

Deuteronomy 27 and 28 lays out very well what happens when a nation turns it back upon the Heavenly Father.

IPeter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must BEGIN at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God????

The preacher/teacher priest class are in line for judgment first.

Matthew 24:3-5 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying "Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

4, And Jesus answered and said unto them,

"Take heed that no man deceive you.

5. For many shall come in My name, saying, 'I am Christ; --- (Christian) and shall deceive many.

Matthew 23 The whole chapter tell US today what would happen to the LAW.

Matthew 22:36 "Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38. This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thous shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Now if you look at the commandments the first five are all within the Spiritual of love the LORD thy God and the second 5 are the civil of which loving thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 14:26 "If any man come to ME, and hate (should be love less not the word hate) not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also he cannot be My disciple.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after Me, cannot be My disciple.


34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?

35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out.

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.:

So this give a completely different picture of the "LOVE" you reference time and time again. Christ did not got along to get along. He set the standard and the path and Rev Graham never quite seems to get pass the milk stage of Jesus loves you, and the following requirements that flow after what it is that is required of the individual to show LOVE to the Heavenly Father.

I again say to you 2/3rds of this nation continually polled approved of bjclinton and there is nothing Biblically that says that the Heavenly Father made them do it because as we are told in Ephesians 6:10

10 Finally, my brethern, be strong in the LORD, and in the power of His might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, having done all, to stand.

Zechariah 8:16 These are the things that ye shall so; Speak ye every man the TRUTH to his neighbour; execute the judgment of TRUTH and peace in your gates:

17 And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these things are things that I hate, saith the LORD.'"

Now I have imagined NO evil against the Rev nor of the Clintons I have stated the TRUTH of what was and is. There is much more to this LOVE business than bowing a knee to the powers that the Heavenly Father appoints and allows.

After all the Heavenly Father is going to send to us the great pretender, the one who tempted Christ, the one who Paul said in II Corinthians 11:1

Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ,

3 But I fear, lest by 'any means' (those words sound familiar) as the serpent beguiled (means holy seduced) Eve through his subtilty, so your MINDS should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

I have never heard the Rev Graham quite ever get the the meat of the gospel.

[ohioWfan]

I've heard of him drastically changing his stances on a number of issues.

My question to you......

Have you heard HIM change his stances on a number of issues, or have you heard people SAY he has changed his stand because of statements taken out of context, or statements completely misinterpreted (such as those in this article and on this thread?)

I try to stick with the facts about the man. Others enjoy casting stones without evidence to back up their accusations.

[ohioWfan]

I have the right to state my opinion about the man,

You have made it very clear that you believe your "right to state (your) opinion" supercedes your obligation to make sure that opinion is based on the truth.

It's not Billy Graham's sin that you need to concern yourself about..........

[Just mythoughts]

"You have made it very clear that you believe your "right to state (your) opinion" supercedes your obligation to make sure that opinion is based on the truth.

It's not Billy Graham's sin that you need to concern yourself about.........."

Well I am told that when I offend one in discussing the WORD and they slap me across the cheek to turn the other cheek, consider it done.

[ohioWfan]

As Americans we get the government we deserve. I only pray that we deserve better than Hillary. But I fear that our nation has turned from God and too often we ridicule and scoff at those who would actually turn us back to God. We judge other men by standards that are higher than we judge ourselves. Bill Clinton was a flawed man, but he was chosen by God to rule this nation for 8 years. Perhaps we could learn more by asking God why he chose Bill Clinton to rule us rather than wasting the next 20 years fuming over the fact that He did.

Wise, wise words....

We need to be in deep prayer for this nation, because we DID deserve Clinton either because of our sin, or our apathy, and we need to look deep in our souls in humility, and be in prayer and supplication that America might come to repentance.

This attack on Billy Graham by the misinformed and arrogant is not only a distraction from what we really need to be doing, but is also dangerous.

I'm sure that Satan (and leftists) are thrilled that Christians are turning against Billy Graham just because he continues to love this sinner, Bill Clinton.

[ohioWfan]

You weren't just discussing the WORD, Just. You were condemning a man of God.

And now you are denying it and playing martyr?

[P-Marlowe]

What sin has Bill Clinton committed that you are not willing to forgive him of?

What sin has Billy Graham committed that you are not willing to forgive him of?

What horrible sin has Billy Graham committed such that you would number him among the false Christs that Jesus spoke of in Matthew Chapter 24?

What sins have Bill Clinton and/or Billy Graham committed that you yourself have never committed?

[ohioWfan]

But, I do care when I see something that seems to be inconsistent with orthodox Christian doctrine.

The operative word here is "SEEMS."

You cannot support that his views ARE inconsistent with Christian doctrine, and you have drawn conclusions from statements taken out of context.

Perhaps it would be better if you would wait until you hear Billy Graham actually say the things you accuse him of saying, before you accept the snippets of quotes in secular magazines as the truth.