Posted on 06/16/2005 1:56:30 PM PDT by lugsoul
US Military Report: The High Death Rates exposed by Brian Harring
The Bush Butcher’s Bill: Officially, 40 US Military Deaths in Iraq from 1 through 11 May, 2005 – Official Total of 1,791 US Dead to date (and rising)
U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005. The ongoing, underreporting of the dead in Iraq, is not accurate. The DoD is deliberately reducing the figures. A review of many foreign news sites show that actual deaths are far higher than the newly reduced ones. Iraqi civilian casualties are never reported but International Red Cross, Red Crescent and UN figures indicate that as of 1 January 2005, the numbers are just under 100,000.
Note: There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded, this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,400+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 either deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded* (See note below. This figure is now over 24,000 Ed) and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers , rapes, courts martial and so on –
Because I cannot publish the DoD pdf file in this country (no one has said anything about it being published outside the country) I am working up a specific overview for posting and my lawyer has made the following suggestion for me. I think it’s good and it certainly is legal.
I have a copy of the official DoD casualty list. I am alphabetizing it with the reported date of death following. TBR will post this list in sections and when this is circulated widely by veteran groups and other concerned sites, if people who do not see their loved one’s names, are requested to inform their Congressman, their local paper, us and other concerned people as soon as possible.
The government gets away with these huge lies because they claim, falsely, that only soldiers actually killed on the ground in Iraq are reported. The dying and critically wounded are listed as en route to military hospitals outside of the country and not reported on the daily postings. Anyone who dies just as the transport takes off from the Baghdad airport is not listed and neither are those who die in the US military hospitals. Their families are certainly notified that their son, husband, brother or lover was dead and the bodies, or what is left of them (refrigeration is very bad in Iraq what with constant power outages) are shipped home, to Dover AFB. You ought to realize that President Bush personally ordered that no pictures be taken of the coffined and flag-draped dead under any circumstances. He claims that this is to comfort the bereaved relatives but is designed to keep the huge number of arriving bodies secret. Any civilian, or military personnel, taking pictures will be jailed at once and prosecuted. Bush has never attended any kind of a memorial service for his dead soldiers and never will. He is terrified some parent might curse him in front of the press or, worse, attack him. As Bush is a coward and in denial, this is not a surprise.
This listing program is about finished and we will start publishing in the very near future so act accordingly. If there is an actual variance of, say, 10 names, that is acceptable. 50 would indicate sloppiness and anything over 100 a positive sign of lying.
*The latest on the wounded: “Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, is a 150-bed hospital that's already seen over 24,000 wounded military patients from Iraq and Afghanistan since the commencement of hostilities “. Knight Ridder Newspapers June 6, 2005 (Note: The Pentagon refuses to publish accurate lists of any wounded. Ed)
Yeah this story sounds like a load of crap. You can't hide that many deaths especially when the media is trying so hard to get any negative statement they can from the parents of dead soldiers.
Although the 9,000 U.S. military dead figure quoted in this article seems high, the 16,000 seriously wounded figure actually underestimates the total U.S. casualties in Iraq. As of about a year ago, DoD admitted more than 25,000 U.S. casualties in Iraq. The term "casualty" is defined as any injury or death that keeps our personnel out of action. This is an official figure, but the Bush administration never refers to it in order to bias public opiniion in favor of Bush's immoral and pointless war.
Lets not get our knickers in a wad over this. To under-report the casualty rates would take a conspiracy of breathtaking proportions. Plus I can't believe that the Pentagon would be that stupid.
Of course the thought pops into my mind is that Ted Kennedy made the prediction that we would tens of thousands of body bags. That didn't materialize...now according to Sen Durbin (the douchebag) just called members of our military Nazis...so this claim shouldn't be a surprise. The truth is under assault.
I agree. This is a pure unadulterated black helicopter article. I particularly was irritated with the statement:
"Bush has never attended any kind of a memorial service for his dead soldiers and never will. He is terrified some parent might curse him in front of the press or, worse, attack him. As Bush is a coward and in denial, this is not a surprise."
Well, maybe not a surprise to anyone who destests the President and the USA to begin with. I'm suspect the soldiers and their families who have been visited by the President might have a different opinion.
This should be pulled. It is slander under the bogus guise of "TBS News". I think it stands for "The Bull Shiite News"
Lugsoul, just distributing this gives it creedence past the pathetic losers who happen to visit the site from other anti-war, anti-American links. I presume you went to the site and checked it out, as I did?
Hmmmm.... The figure from the defenselink site above is just under 13,000, with about 1/2 of those not returning to duty. Where's the 25K figure come from?
I acknowledge [as I did in my first comment] that it is bizarre. But I have noticed that the official tally seems to track the announcements of deaths on the ground, and we do have a pretty significant number of WIA who are not RTD. Inevitably, some of those brave souls die from their wounds.
Yawn
The article source has zero credibility, just another left-wing propaganda site.
Umm...that ban has been in place since 1991 after the leftist media showed a split screen of GHWB golfing and the caskets on national TV.
Your own page contains the quote by Bertrand Russell:
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
I might suggest you reread it before posting idiocy such as this.
Why are so many scared to look an allegation in the face and fight it off? Why the obsession with 'not looking at it'?
let me put it to you guys this way.
This it complete and TOTAL CRAP.
That is, unless the Army is lying to itself. I wont (and cant) go into that, except that they would be falsifying their own battle reports.
here's one:
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
Here's a group that has claimed to have cross-checked the information from several accountings, including CNN:
http://icasualties.org/oif/
That being said, they do list some KIAs as dying in Germany or elsewhere from injuries suffered in Iraq. But it was a very small number, in the context of the numbers of medevac'd wounded. By my rough estimation, less than 35-40 on the entire list fell into this category. A bit lower than I'd expect.
As a mother of a son and a daughter, you have every right as an American to call the war pointless and immoral.
But that doesn't make you right. It makes you an ingrate.
You are very fortunate that your son and daughter did not happen to work in the Twin Towers on 9/11, or be a passenger on one of the planes used as a weapon.
I am happy your son or daughter wasn't traveling on a plane home from Italy when that bomb went off, sucking them out through the hole in the fuselage still strapped in their seats, to fall thousands of feet to the ocean below.
Good thing you aren't a Russian mother, then you might worry that your grandkids may go to a school that is taken over by Muslim extremists, who decide to humiliate and abuse them before finally blowing them up with plastic explosives.
I am glad that your father wasn't shot in the head and dumped over the side of a cruise ship along with his wheelchair.
People like you feel somehow satisfied that you get to have clean hands and be morally superior, while the rest of us have to make the hard choices. Everyone else has to bear the emotional burden, and you get to reap the benefits of their burden.
You get to go to bed at night without worrying about being blown up on your way home from work. You get to go to parties, go on vacations, eat plenty of good food and enjoy the American way of life.
All this because someone else is doing the dirty work to keep people who want to kill you and your precious children. Those people who are engaged in the pointless and immoral war. Our military men and women.
You get to live the good life, the safe life, while the mothers, fathers, husbands, wives and children of our troops have the task of getting up each day wondering if this is the day there will be a knock on the door, which when opened shows a uniformed official and a priest standing there.
I would say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I suspect you are beyond shame.
My father used to say "there's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shoreline looking like an idiot."
When I was young I actually thought he was talking about fishing!
If someone just fabricated some slander about you, say, you enjoy molesting little boys, would there be an obsession with "not looking at it"?
Or would that be different?
Or, should you have stuck with the "Obviously this is a little wacky" sentiment and just not posted this POS article?
I haven't seen anything, yet, indicating that this is easily debunked. I looked at the DoD list. As I posted, they have a handful of names listed as KIA after medevac to somewhere else. Rough count was 35-40, but I'll say 60 to use a round number. WIA not-RTD is more than 6000. So the fatality rate of WIA not-RTD is less than 1%, according to these figures. That does not appear credible.
When I read it, I figured that if it was easily debunked, that would happen here. Instead, there is just a bunch of scared, histrionic reaction.
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