Posted on 06/16/2005 1:56:30 PM PDT by lugsoul
Yeah this story sounds like a load of crap. You can't hide that many deaths especially when the media is trying so hard to get any negative statement they can from the parents of dead soldiers.
Although the 9,000 U.S. military dead figure quoted in this article seems high, the 16,000 seriously wounded figure actually underestimates the total U.S. casualties in Iraq. As of about a year ago, DoD admitted more than 25,000 U.S. casualties in Iraq. The term "casualty" is defined as any injury or death that keeps our personnel out of action. This is an official figure, but the Bush administration never refers to it in order to bias public opiniion in favor of Bush's immoral and pointless war.
Lets not get our knickers in a wad over this. To under-report the casualty rates would take a conspiracy of breathtaking proportions. Plus I can't believe that the Pentagon would be that stupid.
Of course the thought pops into my mind is that Ted Kennedy made the prediction that we would tens of thousands of body bags. That didn't materialize...now according to Sen Durbin (the douchebag) just called members of our military Nazis...so this claim shouldn't be a surprise. The truth is under assault.
I agree. This is a pure unadulterated black helicopter article. I particularly was irritated with the statement:
"Bush has never attended any kind of a memorial service for his dead soldiers and never will. He is terrified some parent might curse him in front of the press or, worse, attack him. As Bush is a coward and in denial, this is not a surprise."
Well, maybe not a surprise to anyone who destests the President and the USA to begin with. I'm suspect the soldiers and their families who have been visited by the President might have a different opinion.
This should be pulled. It is slander under the bogus guise of "TBS News". I think it stands for "The Bull Shiite News"
Lugsoul, just distributing this gives it creedence past the pathetic losers who happen to visit the site from other anti-war, anti-American links. I presume you went to the site and checked it out, as I did?
Hmmmm.... The figure from the defenselink site above is just under 13,000, with about 1/2 of those not returning to duty. Where's the 25K figure come from?
I acknowledge [as I did in my first comment] that it is bizarre. But I have noticed that the official tally seems to track the announcements of deaths on the ground, and we do have a pretty significant number of WIA who are not RTD. Inevitably, some of those brave souls die from their wounds.
Yawn
The article source has zero credibility, just another left-wing propaganda site.
Umm...that ban has been in place since 1991 after the leftist media showed a split screen of GHWB golfing and the caskets on national TV.
Your own page contains the quote by Bertrand Russell:
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
I might suggest you reread it before posting idiocy such as this.
Why are so many scared to look an allegation in the face and fight it off? Why the obsession with 'not looking at it'?
let me put it to you guys this way.
This it complete and TOTAL CRAP.
That is, unless the Army is lying to itself. I wont (and cant) go into that, except that they would be falsifying their own battle reports.
here's one:
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
Here's a group that has claimed to have cross-checked the information from several accountings, including CNN:
http://icasualties.org/oif/
That being said, they do list some KIAs as dying in Germany or elsewhere from injuries suffered in Iraq. But it was a very small number, in the context of the numbers of medevac'd wounded. By my rough estimation, less than 35-40 on the entire list fell into this category. A bit lower than I'd expect.
As a mother of a son and a daughter, you have every right as an American to call the war pointless and immoral.
But that doesn't make you right. It makes you an ingrate.
You are very fortunate that your son and daughter did not happen to work in the Twin Towers on 9/11, or be a passenger on one of the planes used as a weapon.
I am happy your son or daughter wasn't traveling on a plane home from Italy when that bomb went off, sucking them out through the hole in the fuselage still strapped in their seats, to fall thousands of feet to the ocean below.
Good thing you aren't a Russian mother, then you might worry that your grandkids may go to a school that is taken over by Muslim extremists, who decide to humiliate and abuse them before finally blowing them up with plastic explosives.
I am glad that your father wasn't shot in the head and dumped over the side of a cruise ship along with his wheelchair.
People like you feel somehow satisfied that you get to have clean hands and be morally superior, while the rest of us have to make the hard choices. Everyone else has to bear the emotional burden, and you get to reap the benefits of their burden.
You get to go to bed at night without worrying about being blown up on your way home from work. You get to go to parties, go on vacations, eat plenty of good food and enjoy the American way of life.
All this because someone else is doing the dirty work to keep people who want to kill you and your precious children. Those people who are engaged in the pointless and immoral war. Our military men and women.
You get to live the good life, the safe life, while the mothers, fathers, husbands, wives and children of our troops have the task of getting up each day wondering if this is the day there will be a knock on the door, which when opened shows a uniformed official and a priest standing there.
I would say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I suspect you are beyond shame.
My father used to say "there's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shoreline looking like an idiot."
When I was young I actually thought he was talking about fishing!
If someone just fabricated some slander about you, say, you enjoy molesting little boys, would there be an obsession with "not looking at it"?
Or would that be different?
Or, should you have stuck with the "Obviously this is a little wacky" sentiment and just not posted this POS article?
I haven't seen anything, yet, indicating that this is easily debunked. I looked at the DoD list. As I posted, they have a handful of names listed as KIA after medevac to somewhere else. Rough count was 35-40, but I'll say 60 to use a round number. WIA not-RTD is more than 6000. So the fatality rate of WIA not-RTD is less than 1%, according to these figures. That does not appear credible.
When I read it, I figured that if it was easily debunked, that would happen here. Instead, there is just a bunch of scared, histrionic reaction.
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