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Conservatives: Come to Bill Clinton's NYC office at 1:00pm on Friday

Posted on 06/02/2005 4:29:51 PM PDT by eric_jackson

Upcoming Press Release:

Demands Mount for Clintons to Acknowledge Intimidation, Rape

Author of book causing worldwide controversy to visit Bill Clinton and demand that he and Hillary take accountability. “Hillary enabled a rapist.”

New York, NY (June 3, 2005) -- Bill Clinton rose to the White House as a self-professed supporter of women’s rights, and his wife Senator Hillary Clinton promises to deliver a similar message in her campaign to return to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. But the Clintons’ commitment to women’s rights have been called into question by a shocking new book garnering worldwide attention that documents a pattern of disturbing attacks—including rape—against women.

“It’s time for Bill and Hillary Clinton to both acknowledge and publicly apologize for their actions,” says Candice E. Jackson, author of the just-released book “Their Lives: The Women Targeted by the Clinton Machine” (World Ahead Publishing; hardback: $25.95; ISBN 0974670138). “And on Friday, June 3, we’re going to call them on it – publicly.”

Following a nationally televised interview on Fox New Channel’s popular “Fox & Friends” morning show in which she will recount the charges, Ms. Jackson will visit the Clinton Foundation office in Harlem and present the former President with a letter of acknowledgement and apology to sign. Spokesmen for both Bill and Hillary Clinton have thus far refused to comment on the allegations in “Their Lives” in spite of the fact that copies have been shipped to their respective offices.

“The history of Bill Clinton’s relationships with women has been one of physical and sexual harassment often followed by threats and intimidation,” says Jackson. “Over and over he has proven himself to be a ‘liberal misogynist’ – a man who feels that his professed concern for women’s political rights gives him free rein to treat individual women like chattel.”

Whether it was assembling a smear team to attack a grief-stricken widow, threatening a reporter for research an Arkansas health-care scandal, or hiring private investigators to bully an ex-flame’s family members, Jackson says that Clinton showed no reluctance to go after any woman who inconvenienced his political career. But the blame, according to Jackson, also falls on his wife’s shoulders.

“Hillary could have exercised her influence over him, instead she has stood beside him every step of the way, doing whatever was necessary to keep the Clinton political bandwagon rolling,” asserts Jackson. “The bottom line is that Hillary has enabled a rapist, and she needs to be called to account for her actions.”

“Their Lives”—the missing chapters to Bill’s memoir, “My Life”—has been a source of international controversy and media attention since its debut earlier this week. Publications in India, Britain, China, and Australia have carried articles and excerpts of the book, and announcements regarding foreign rights sales of the book are expected imminently. The author, who herself is a recovering victim of rape, will be signing copies at this weekend’s Book Expo America.

Jackson plans to arrive at the offices of the William J. Clinton Foundation located at 55 W. 125th Street in New York city at 1:00 PM Eastern on Friday. Community members and representatives of the media are encouraged to attend.

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Freepers,

This press release is going out over the wire tomorrow but I wanted to give you a sneak preview. If you are in the New York City area, please stop by as Candice E. Jackson (no relation to me), the author of Their Lives: The Women Targeted by the Clinton Machine, pays a visit to former President Bill Clinton at his office in Harlem to ask to discuss the crimes he and Hillary have committed against women.

If you are unable to show your support in person, you can call, fax, or e-mail the Clinton Foundation and politely (we're not liberals, after all) encourage them to allow Ms. Jackson to meet with the former President. Here is the contact information for Bill Clinton's scheduling director:

David Slade, Director of Scheduling
William J. Clinton Foundation
55 West 125th St.
New York, NY 10027
Email: scheduling@owjc.org
Phone: 212-348-8882
Fax: 212-348-9541

P.S. The media is finally beginning to pay attention to this issue -- newspapers from Washington to London to Beijing have written about this topic so far this week. Please help us get the word out by attending this event to calmly and peacefully show your support for this issue or contacting the Clinton Foundation. And also please forward this notice along to your friends.

1 posted on 06/02/2005 4:29:52 PM PDT by eric_jackson
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I wish them well, but I supect no one is going to get past the front door. But with proper notification, it ought to make good reporting on FOX news...


2 posted on 06/02/2005 4:44:38 PM PDT by konaice
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Well, well, well. Another monkey wrench thrown into the Hitlery For Prez Machine. Of course what they do in private is no body's business but their own, even when it involves rape, murder, witchhunts, murder, vilifying victimes, murder, intimidating victims, murder, stained blue dresses, and oh, did I mention murder?


3 posted on 06/02/2005 4:46:56 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: eric_jackson; doug from upland; Mia T; Alamo-Girl; Jim Robinson; Congressman Billybob; bert; ...

FReep the Zipper one for the Gipper!


4 posted on 06/02/2005 4:51:07 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: eric_jackson



The Clinton Body Count
(Thanks to Michael Rivero!)

The following is a partial list of a large number of persons who have recently met their demise in suspicious circumstances who appear to have some connection to the Clintons. I stress partial because new addditions are coming in faster than closets can be found to hide the bodies in! Ms. Mahoney, for example!
Last Update Mon Mar 23 09:53:21 PST 1998





THE MOST RECENT




Sandy Hume
Journalist
ON Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the 28 year old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an "apparent" suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this story, possibly out of concern that the actual facts will not withstand public scrutiny. Indeed, it was reported in Associated Press that the Arlington Police were not responding to any inquiries.

Hume was a reporter for The Hill magazine, newspaper about Congress for Congress, and had broken a major story in 1997 regarding the friction between House Speaker Newt Gingrich and a faction led by Representative Paxon (who announced his resignation just 24 hours after Hume's death).

In addition, Sandy Hume had just joined the staff at Fox TV News and was just three weeks into a job that represented the pinnacle of his young career. Oddly enough, aside from echoing the one Associated Press story, the Fox News website has ignored the death of it's newest commentator.

Sandy already had a reputation for getting the story that nobody else wanted to look at, and it is worth noting that his death came hard on the heels of reports that "a reporter" was about to break a story confirming the White House's use of investigators to dig up dirt on critics and invstigators.

It has recently been confirmed that the man who performed the as-yet-unreleased autopsy is none other than Dr. James C. Beyer, who has a record of concealing homicides behind a ruling of suicide.





Ron Miller
Witness
Died October 12th 1997

Ron Miller, investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentanced to prison for campaign finance violations, using "straw donors" to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates.

Reportedly a healthy man, Ron suddenly took ill on October 3rd, and steadily worsened until his deah 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricine poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office.

The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller's blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.







Mary Mahoney
White House Intern
died 7/97

An attractive 25 year old woman, Mary was a former White House Intern for Bill Clinton working as the Assistant Manager at a Starbuck's Coffee shop in Georgetown.



In the pre-trial publicity surrounding Paula Jones lawsuit, and mere days after Newsweek's Mike Isikoff had dropped hints that a "former White House staffer" was about to go public with her story of sexual harassement at 1600 Pennsylvania, gunmen entered the Starbuck's while the crew was cleaning up after closing. Mary's two associates were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in her. No money was taken.

UPDATE!As of this writing, Mike Isikoff's "former White House staffer" has finally surfaced and it's NOT Mary Mahoney, but Monika Lewchinsky. If the killing of Mary Mahoney was to silence a "bimbo eruption", they got the wrong woman. (Just how many of the interns was Clinton getting blowjobs from??)





THE MOST FAMOUS






Vincent Foster
White House Counsel
died: 7/21/93 - Found dead in Ft. Marcy Park in Washington, DC, of a supposed suicide by gunshot. A suicide note was supposedly found a fews days later, torn into several pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by WhiteHouse staff and materials removed.

The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the investigation of it.

Foster was also from Hope, Ark., like Clinton, and also worked for the Rose Law firm. Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons' personal finances. Foster was involved in an investigation of their finances, and reportedly made a phone call to Hillary Clinton, in Los Angeles, just hours before his death.

Recently, the signed report of M.E. Dr. Donald Haut was uncovered at the National Archives, proving that Foster had a previously unreported gunshot wound to his neck.

The "suicide" note, (leaked despite official efforts to keep it from view) has since been revealed to be a forgery.





Admiral Jeremy Boorda
Chief of Naval Operations
Died May 16th, 1996

Boorda supposedly went home for lunch and decided to shoot himself in the chest (by one report, twice) rather than be interviewed by Newsweek magazine that afternoon.

Explanations for this suicide included a claim that he was embarrassed over two "Valor" pins he was not authorized to wear. Then when it turned out that Boorda was entitlted to those decorations, blame shifted to stresses over the downsizing of the Navy, and even (Washington Times) the adverse affect that feminism was having on the Nav's morale.

Boorda supposedly left two suicide notes, neither of which was released.







William Colby
Director of Central Intelligence (ret)
Died - April 27(?), 1996

William Colby had been the DCI from 1973 to 1976 under Nixon and Ford.

At age 76, Colby had found a new career and had just started writing for Strategic Investment at the time of his death. This had worried many insiders in the intelligence community who felt that Colby had already divulged too many of the CIA's secrets in the preceding years. Indeed, his dismissal by Ford because of his over-cooperation with Congressional investigations into CIA wrongdoing. It was Colby who had revealed to Congress the plans to kill Fidel Castro, the spying on American citizens (in direct violation of the CIA charter) and the conducting of biological tests by the CIA on unsuspecting citizens. He was replaced by George Bush.

According to the original CNN report, Colby was reported missing by neighbors who "recovered" his canoe, by one story from under the dock at Colby's house, by another report, 1/4 of a mile downstream from Colby's home.

Colby was by all report a methodical, tidy man, yet police found his home unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. The official story is that Colby just put down his fork and decided to drop everything and go canoeing.

On Monday, May 6th, Colby's body was found just 20 yards from where his canoe had been recovered, in an area that had been thoroughly sarched several times by helicopters and search teams.

Most notable about the body was the absence of a life jacket, which according to his wife, Colby always wore on the water.





DEAD BODYGUARDS




Maj. Gen. William Robertson
Deputy Commanding General, V Corps, Europe
Col William Densberger
V Corps Chief of Operations and Plans
Col. Robert Kelly
V Corps Chief of Intelligence
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Crew Chief
died: 2/23/93 - All were killed when their helicopter crashed in Weisbaden, Germany. No cause was ever determined. - V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt. These men, and 8 others associated with Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt all died within 4 months of each other.





Steve Willis
Clinton bodyguard
Robert Williams
Clinton bodyguard
Conway LeBleu
Clinton bodyguard
Todd McKeehan
Clinton bodyguard
died: 2/28/93 - "executed" by gunfire in the Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. - All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson, videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by Branch Davidians.





Five Navy aviators
Clinton bodyguards/escorts
(names not determined) died: 3/26/93 - all died in a crash of an E-2C Hawkeye in Italy. The crash occurred shortly after the plane was "waved off" from a landing attempt on the Carrier Roosevelt, due to a "foul deck". - All five men had been Clinton's escorts during Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt 2 weeks prior. Three other men, who had flown Clinton to the Roosevelt for that visit also died later in a helicopter crash.





Staff Sgt. Brian Haney
Clinton bodyguard
Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel
Clinton bodyguard
Maj. William Barkley
Clinton bodyguard
Capt. Scott Reynolds
Clinton bodyguard
died: 5/19/93 - All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. - Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.





DEAD FUNDRAISERS




C. Victor Raiser II
National Finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign
Montgomery Raiser
Son of C. Victor Raiser II
died: 7/30/92 - Both men died in a private plane crash in Alaska, en route to a fishing expedition. No cause was ever determined. Five others not connected to Clinton died with them. - DeeDee Meyers described Raiser as a "major player" in the Clinton organization. Victor raiser was also chairman of Mobile Telecomm Technologies Corp., whose subsidiary, SkyTel Corp. is an international paging company used by federal police agencies such as the FBI.





Paul Tully
Democratic National Committee Political Director
died: 9/24/92 - Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock Arkansas of "unknown causes." No autopsy allowed. - Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor. Tully authored several key strategies for Clinton and the party.





Ed Willey
Real Estate Attorney, Clinton Fund Raisor
died: 11/30/93 - Died of a shotgun blast to the head. Body found in deep woods in Virginia. Ruled a suicide, no note was found. Died on the same da his wife was sexually assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton. - Intimately involved in several Clinton fund raising events.





Hershell Friday
Attorney and Clinton fund raiser.
died: 3/1/94 - Killed when his plane exploded. Cause unknown.





DEAD WITNESSES




Luther Parks
Head of Clinton's Guberntorial security team in Little Rock.
died: 9/26/93 - Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. - His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into. Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was stolen.

When news of the discovery of Vincent Foster's body came over the news, Parks is reported to have said,"Bill Clinton is cleaning house".





James Bunch
Influential Texan
died: ??? - Died from a gunshot suicide, similar to Vince Foster. - Was discovered to have a "little black book" containing the names of many influential persons in Texas and Arkansas who visited certain prostitutes.





John Wilson
Former Washington DC Council member
died: 5/18/93 - Found dead from an apparent hanging suicide - Suicide appears suspicious due to an unusual number of reports made to the media concerning his "depression". Was reported, but not proven, to have ties to the Whitewater affair.





Bill Shelton
Arkansas state trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson
died: 6/94 - allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself at the gravesite of his fiancee - Officer Shelton was the fiancee of Kathy Ferguson, who was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy Ferguson also committed "suicide" 6/94 when she shot herself in her living room. Oddly, next to the body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere. Danny Ferguson is a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones's sexual harassment suit. His ex-wife was reported as a corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.





Kathy Furguson
Ex-wife of Trooper Danny Furguson
died: circa 5/94 - Died of a supposed gunshot suicide in her living room. There was a suicide note found by the body. However, friends were surprise at having noticed nothing wrong previously. And even more curious, found nearby were several packed suitcases, as if she expected she was going somewhere. She was the former wife (since changed her name) of Trooper Danny Ferguson, who is the Arkansas State Trooper alleged to have escorted Paula Corbin Jones to the hotel room for her alleged episode of sexual harrassment by then-Governor Clinton. Ferguson's wife was reported as a possible corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.





Gandy Baugh
Attorney representing Mr. Lassater in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct.
died: circa 1/8/94 - Died in an alleged suicide by jumping out of a window of a multi-story building. - Mr. Lassater was a close associate of Gov. Clinton, and was later indicted on drug related charges, among other things.





Dr. Ronald Rogers
Dentist from Arkanasas
Killed in plane crash as he was on his way to an interview with a "London Sunday Telegraph" reporter to reveal some Clinton dirt.





Stanley Huggins
Partner in Memphis law firm
investigating Madison Guaranty. His 300 page report has never been released.





Florence Martin
Accountant subcontracting to CIA
related to the Barry Seal case. Dead of three gunshot wounds to the head.





Jim Wilhite
Wilhite was an associate of Mack McClarty's former firm. Wilhite died in a skiing accident on December 21, 1992.





DEAD WOMEN




Suzanne Coleman
: Had affair with Clinton when he was attorney general. Died of "suicide" with gunshot wound to the back of her head. No autopsy performed. Was pregnant at time of her death. Some say it was Clintons.





Paula Grober
Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf
died: 12/9/92 - Died in a one-car accident with no known witnesses. Her body was thrown 33 feet from the car. A very attractive women, Paula traveled extensively with Clinton from 1978 until her death.





DEAD INVESTIGATORS




Paul Wilcher
Washington attorney investigating government corruption
died: 6/22/93 - Found dead on a toilet in his Washington apartment. No cause of death was ever determined.

At the time of his death, he was investigating connections between the "October surprise" during the 1980 federal election campaign and drug and gun-running out of Mena, Arkansas, as well as the BATF assault on the Waco, Texas Branch Davidians. Was planning on producing a television documentary on his findings. He had delivered a 99-page affidavit to Janet Reno three weeks before his death.





Jon Parnell Walker
RTC investigator
Mysteriously fell to his death from an apartment balcony. The same apartment which was alleged to have been a secret getaway which Foster may have visited.





DEAD COMMERCE DEPARTMENT DEATHS






Ron Brown
Former Chairman, DNC; Commerce Secretary
died: 5/3/96 - Ron Brown died along with 39 other people when the T-43 (a converted 737 used by the Air Force) carrying the group on a trip to Bosnia crashed while approaching the Dubrovnik airport. On the verge of being indicted and having stated publicly his willingness to make a deal with prosecutors, Ron Brown's death brought to an end his ability to testify.

As of this writing, Judicial Watch has petitioned for the investigation into on Brown's dealings to be expanded to include his death. (NOTE: Also belongs under dead fundraisers)





Barbera Wise
Commerce Department Staffer
died: 11/29/96 - As the scandals continued to swirl around the Commerce Department, and most of all about John Huang, one of Huang's associates, Barbera Wise, was found dead in her locked office at the Department of Commerce, partially nude and covered with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced. Oddly enough, following the discovery of her body, Bill Clinton made an unscheduled return to the White House from Camp David, claiming he needed a book of poetry in order to complete his inauguration speech.





Charles Meissner
Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy.
died: UNK - Following Ron Brown's death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearence by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Charles Meissner died in the crash of a small plane.





THE HENRY - IVES DEATHS, A.K.A. THE "TRAIN DEATHS"






Kevin Ives & Don Henry
Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on a railroad track in Arkansas on August 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the State medical examiner Fahmy Malak. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon part of the Mena drug operation.





Keith Coney
Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 with unconfirmed reports of a high speed car chase.





Keith McKaskle
McKaskle has information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988.





Gregory Collins
Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot wound to the face in January 1989.





Jeff Rhodes
He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, leading to the probably speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed.





James Milan
Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes, claiming that the victim's small dog had eaten the head, which was later recovered from a trashbin several blocks away.





Richard Winters
Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry. He was killed in a "robbery" in July 1989 which was subsequently proven to be a setup.





Jordan Kettleson
Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.





MISC DEATHS




Stanley Heard
Chairman, National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee
Steve Dickson
- Counsel to Mr. Heard died: 9/10/93 - Both died in a plane crash outside Dulles airport, after their aircraft, rented after Heard's personal craft developed troubles, crashed while attempting an emergency landing after reporting a fire on board. Let's repeat that. They took off in a plane. It developed problems. They got it back to the airport. They rented a new plane. They took off in the new rented plane and IT developed a problem. On the way back to the airport it crashed. - Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, also personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather, and brother.





Jim Wilhite
Vice Chairman, Arkla, Inc.
died: 12/21/92 - Died in a one-person skiing accident. - Wilhite had extensive ties with Clinton and Mack McLarty, with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.





Wounded or attempted murder:




Gary Johnson
: Not dead, but beaten near death and left for dead. Had videotapes of Clinton entering Gennifer Flowers' apartment. His tapes were taken.





Dennis Patrick
: Court clerk. Had millions of dollars laundered through his account at Lasater & Co without his knowledge. Four attempts on his life.





L.J. Davis
: Reporter investigating Clinton scandals. Attacked at his hotel room in Little Rock. His notes were stolen.





Larry Nichols
: Former official at ADFA and author of "The Clinton Chronicles." The man who broke many of the Clinton scandal stories. Several attempts on his life.





Russel Welch
Infected with military grade anthrax.




Sadly, the list goes on......


5 posted on 06/02/2005 4:51:37 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Carl/NewsMax; newsgatherer; GunnyBob; archy; LibertarianInExile; speedy; bitt; NYTexan; Southack; ..

FReep the Zipper one for the Gipper!


6 posted on 06/02/2005 4:56:19 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Blurblogger; Chieftain

HA! HA! HA! HA!


7 posted on 06/02/2005 4:57:25 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: eric_jackson
Nice post..interestingly there is another post today in this forum which tells us that Bubba was interviewed by Bryan Williams on NBC and he shamelessly took the position that he had been falsely charged with perjury etc. even though he pled out and part of the plea bargain was an admission of the perjury...what next MR SOCIOPATH IN CHIEF?...is he going to deny that he likes cigars for sexual and other purposes and that he never was the President...Hitlery was the President,therefore 'no harm,no foul',...you gotta love the MSM and CLINTOON crapola..it never ends...EH
8 posted on 06/02/2005 4:59:16 PM PDT by bc boy (Mr.Dithers promotes Barbie)
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To: eric_jackson
 

2 RAPISTS

There is reason to believe that he is a rapist ("You better get some ice on that," Juanita Broaddrick says he told her concerning her bit lip), and that he bombed a country to distract attention from legal difficulties arising from his glandular life, and that. ... Furthermore, the bargain that he and his wife call a marriage refutes the axiom that opposites attract. Rather, she, as much as he, perhaps even more so, incarnates Clintonism

GEORGE WILL, SLEAZE, THE SEQUEL

 


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9 posted on 06/02/2005 5:23:36 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Iam1ru1-2

The list is amusing, but it's meaningless. No one has ever gone back and culled the entries that shouldn't be there. One of the most known ones - Mary Mahoney - is a case that has been solved and has nothing to do with the Clintons.
There are some others that I'm almost as sure don't belong there. If the ones I know anything about are so wrong, then I can't believe any of them (although I'd like to)


10 posted on 06/02/2005 5:24:32 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Source on your info on the agents killed in Waco assault, please. It is false.


11 posted on 06/02/2005 5:43:41 PM PDT by lolhelp
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To: eric_jackson
Here is our latest Clinton FReep.

Click on my name for previous FReeps of Hillary and Bubba.

12 posted on 06/02/2005 5:58:41 PM PDT by DrewsDad
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To: eric_jackson; Zacs Mom
Here's a poster idea from Zacs Mom that might suit your purposes.


13 posted on 06/02/2005 6:02:05 PM PDT by DrewsDad
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To: lolhelp; Iam1ru1-2
1. I have been able to confirm that those names are correct, but have only found the "execution-style" info on other copies of the body count list.

2. The body count list is technically wrong to list all four, because only three had served on Clinton's security force.

3. Clinton stated on 18 March of '93 that three of them had served in security at events "during the primariy and general election." In other words, these were four guys among hundreds (thousands?) of agents who protected him over the course of the '92 campaign. Since they weren't SS agents, the idea that they were all close enough to see or hear something that made them a threat is highly unlikely. In fact, I'd say that these four being in a position to "know too much" would be even less credible than the idea of them being murdered by a POTUS.

4. With the large number of BATF agents involved in this firefight, how many would have to be kept quiet? Unless somebody walked up to these four during a raging firefight and capped them (in front of the media!) then they had to leave the field alive and be killed later. How many agents would have remembered that they saw no one suffer a mortal wound during the shootout?

5. The Hawkeye crewmen don't belong on the list either. I came out of military aviation, and trying any such funny business with an aircrew would be quite impossible without a lot of help on the ship. The idea that a number of Navy crewmen would cooperate in the murder of their shipmates is beyond ludicrous.

14 posted on 06/02/2005 6:47:39 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single cup of coffee.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

whoa, that's an eye-opening list!


15 posted on 06/02/2005 9:08:57 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: eric_jackson; firebrand; nutmeg; Dutchy; RaceBannon; doug from upland
This press release is going out over the wire tomorrow but I wanted to give you a sneak preview.

I suspect the author is not too anxious to get press coverage if her press release is going out a few hours before she plans to visit him? Do we even know if he's in town? Poor planning IMHO.

16 posted on 06/02/2005 9:16:27 PM PDT by StarFan (I)
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To: Mr. Silverback
"The idea that a number of Navy crewmen would cooperate in the murder of their shipmates is beyond ludicrous."

The murder of unborn babies was thought to be beyond ludicrous, beyond unthinkable, beyond imagination in the United States, but it is legal, with the legal embossed stamp of approval by the highest court in the land. And now we're even murdering adults who have a disability, and euthanasia is protected in Oregon. This a "New World" we live in, and anything that a man can think of doing is now being done by man in this and the last century. Yes it is not only possible, it is probable.

17 posted on 06/04/2005 2:40:40 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: lolhelp
"Source on your info on the agents killed in Waco assault, please. It is false."

Your source, please.

18 posted on 06/04/2005 2:42:19 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: speekinout
"If the ones I know anything about are so wrong, then I can't believe any of them (although I'd like to)"

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If Some of these were true, it would still be chilling. How many presidents in the past have had even 5 former agents, workers for his campaign, friends, relatives, appointees die under unusual circumstances?

Investigate for yourselves before tossing the whole thing out.

19 posted on 06/04/2005 2:45:33 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
The murder of unborn babies was thought to be beyond ludicrous, beyond unthinkable, beyond imagination in the United States, but it is legal, with the legal embossed stamp of approval by the highest court in the land. And now we're even murdering adults who have a disability, and euthanasia is protected in Oregon. This a "New World" we live in, and anything that a man can think of doing is now being done by man in this and the last century. Yes it is not only possible, it is probable.

That makes about as much sense as this statement: "Hitler killed six million Jews, therefore Michael Jackson is guilty of child molestation."

As a guy who has spent a few years on military flightlines, I can tell you that the murder theory is 100% Grade A horse hockey. I'd estimate that at least 100 sailors would have to be involved or be silenced after the fact. Such a conspiracy would not be possible to achieve with common criminals killing somebody they don't even know, much less members of the United States Navy killing their own crewmates, on behalf of a President despised by most of the military. And that's before the technical aspects of carrying it out are considered.

By the way, can you tell me how many people inspect a military aircraft before it takes off? I've done hundreds of such inspections, and sabotage would be out of the question. Note that if you look for accounts of this crash, you will find they hit the water less than a mile from the ship.

Your comment further down the thread is amusing: "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If Some of these were true, it would still be chilling. Investigate for yourselves before tossing the whole thing out." Well, that's true, and I'm sure that there is blood on Bill Clinton's hands from the Ron Brown affair if nothing else. But I've posted clear and undeniable reasons that two whole incidents (Waco and the E-2C) should be thrown out, and you're busy defending this document despite its false accusations. It's kosher to promote a list containing false accusations because some of them might be true? Where's your committment to truth?

President Bush really did pass large tax cuts and run up deficits. So when Howard Dean says that and throws in "And he's caused more abortions to be performed and he lied to us about WMD," should we pat ol' Howard on the back for his commitment to truth? Would we think it was a reasonable answer if Tim Russert said, "Where's your evidence of those things" and Dean said, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, Tim. Investigate this for yourself. I don't need to justify my accusations."

I ask again, where is your commitment to truth, and would it be OK with you if the Dems started posting "body count lists" that they knew contained factual errors? Say, start saying that one of the helicopter crashes in Iraq involved a guy who worked on the Marine detail at the White House, who had to die because he knew too much?

20 posted on 06/06/2005 8:15:37 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Eureka! I just found the gene that causes people to believe in genetic determinism!")
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