Posted on 05/23/2005 11:03:23 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
There is currently a total lockdown on posts about Andy Stephenson (except what he posts about himself) in DUmmieland. Anything posted about the AndyScam situation is immediately tossed down the DUmmie memory hole. Meanwhile the Inner Party Member O’Brien of DUmmieland, Pied Piper Pitt, has reversed himself yet again after expressing strong doubts about Andy’s cancer. The latest directive is that Andy has pancreatic cancer. Andy has ALWAYS had pancreatic cancer. Yes, Pitt. Oceana is at war with Eastasia. Oceana has ALWAYS been at war with East Asia. Pitt/O’Brien has put his four fingers up before us and told us that he is holding up five fingers because the state says he is holding up five fingers as in this infamous Pitt/O’Brien statement explaining why Andy has ALWAYS had pancreatic cancer: “It's true because I say so. It's true because thousands of others say so.” And like the world of 1984, DUmmieland also has many Hate rallies. One such Hate Rally in particular is memorable because the target, Laura Ingraham, really does have cancer, unlike Andy who only has pancreatic cancer in an alternate reality. So why is DUmmie invective directed at Laura Ingraham? Simple. Because she is GUILTY of Thought Crimes. Meanwhile Andy Stephenson is given a complete pass from all skepticism because Pitt/O’Brien has decreed that his four fingers are really five. So let us now look at how the DUmmies treat a REAL victim of cancer who happens to be a conservative in this DUmmie THREAD titled, “Laura Ingraham has breast cancer.” As usual the DUmmie Hate Rally screechings are in Ingsoc/Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, viewing the proceedings from Room 101, is in the [brackets]:
Laura Ingraham has breast cancer. Let's keep her in our prayers
[LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!! Your normal human sympathy plus your low post count gives you away!]
Cancer isn't a good thing, but it's her problem. I fell no obligation to pray for people who make the world worse.
[A normal reaction…for a DUmmie.]
Lucifer has cancer...please include him in your prayers. David Duke has cancer please pray for him. Liberal Andy has been diagnosed with cancer...if I do pray...I will pray for him.
[Correction: Liberal Andy does NOT have pancreatic cancer. However, you don’t have to pray for him. Just send in your money.]
She has to muster what few shreds of her life are not based on lies and evil and fight this on her own.
[Speaking of based on lies… How is Andy’s NON-EXISTENT pancreatic cancer?]
i hope she has to declare bankruptsy and see's how the other side lives!!
[At least she won’t be hitting up folks for PayPal payments for a PHONY pancreatic cancer operation.]
Of course we wish the best for her in this fight.
[Huh? This doesn’t seem like the typical DUmmie expression of non-sympathy for Laura. Must read more from this poster…]
I have been a Democrat for a long time, and part of the Democratic principles that attracted me as a young person and kept me a Democrat all these years is our compassion. Democrats are simply good and decent people. And good and decent people want everyone to do well -- those who agree with them and those who do not. We fight for the right of voices with which we disagree to speak out, for the right of people to say things we don't believe to be true, even for the right to be malicious and mean-spirited. If we fight for the right for LI to say what she says, how in the world can we use our disagreement with those words as an excuse not to be compassionate in her fight with cancer. Being willing to have her voice muted by illness is the same thing as not wanting her voice to be heard. It is not Democratic or democratic.
[Too rational here. DOES NOT COMPUTE! Must read more from this mystery poster…]
I hope others will join me in wishing her Godspeed in this fight, for the easiest road that she can have, and even for the development of compassion about others who have faced hardship and disease without the support network she -- and I -- have. As I go through treatment for this same disease, I think often about the women who fight breast cancer without health insurance, without a supportive husband, with a physically demanding job that doesn't know or doesn't care that she is exhausted and weak and aching, with children but no child care. I find it absolutely impossible that LI won't also have those thoughts run through her head or that she won't rethink her position on health care or the social safety net. Pray for her health AND her enlightenment, if you must. But pray, with me, for her good health.
[Praying for Laura’s good health? That will put you at odds with the vast majority of the DUmmies. And, lo and behold, this “mystery poster” turns out to be none other than Elizabeth Edwards herself. Nice of you to express sympathy towards Laura, Elizabeth. However, you might get an education into DUmmie hatred by reading their sicko posts on this thread. As to your own medical problems, the EVIL FASCISTS on the Free Republic had nothing but sympathy and good wishes for you as you can see on this Freeper THREAD.]
Elizabeth, you are clearly a terrific person and of a type who is the Soul of the Democratic Party. But what we Democrats need now, as we face the greatest threat to the Constitution of the United States since the Civil War (perhaps EVER, when viewed from the angle of Caesar Bush crossing the Rubicon), are some Hard and Tough and MEAN Warriors.
[“MEAN.” That certainly describes the DUmmies. Continue DUmmie tom_paine…]
And that, by necessity, requires hardening of the heart. It might not be right but if the choice is hard heart to insure restoration of Free America, then I will choose Hard Heart every time.
[Cold heart too. Continue DUmmie tom_paine…]
And no disrespect to your kindness and decency, but when have these Bushevik Monsters EVER shown us anything of the sort?
[Um…Did you check the Freeper thread posted above you, DUmmie tom_paine? Continue with your spew…]
Maybe it was when they used the Wellstone Funeral as grotesque political tool in 2002.
[Oh, so it was the REPUBLICANS who used the Wellstone funeral as a grotesque political tool? Nice rewrite of history. Maybe you tossed the video of the actual funeral down the Memory Hole.]
You may be able to retain your good will towards these monsters. I cannot.
[Thank you for that enlightening castigation of Elizabeth Edwards for urging sympathy for Laura Ingraham, DUmmie tom_paine.]
But we lose our credibility as advocates for decency and truth if we say hateful things about her vulnerability to a disease.
[DUmmieland lost its credibility a long time ago, Mrs. Edwards.]
But I cannot in good conscience pray for the health of someone who has abetted UnAmerican Totalitarianism with all of her heart.
[But did you in good conscience send in your money to someone who has abetted a FRAUD with all his heart?]
She Probably Gave it to Herself...All that Hate, Lies, Anger...
[Lies…Something Scamdy with his non-existent pancreatic cancer is very familiar with.]
F*ck Laura Ingrahm. F*ck her.
[Elizabeth Edwards asks for sympathy towards Laura Ingraham and this is the DUmmie reply.]
You want me to pray for her? Yech. How about you want me to pray for Hitler? No, not going to do it. No, not Stalin either. How about you want me to pray for Osama Bin Ladin? Not probably going to happen. Rush Limbaugh? Hannity? Medvid (Medvidiot)? O'Really? Rupert? The Bush family? Naw.... My best is going for Andy.
[Your best goes to Andy who is FAKING his disease. Interesting.]
But those who spout hatred on a regular basis often manifest that hatred in themselves. And this may have happened in Laura Ingraham's case.
[So what happened in Andy’s case? Ooops! Just remembered. He does NOT have pancreatic cancer.]
I can't believe the shit I am reading here.
[And this DUmmie wins a Kewpie doll for having a brief moment of mental clarity.]
These comments on DU are absolutely predictable. Every time someone with whom we disagree has a health problem or dies, the celebration begins.....
[LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
She's got all of konservative amerika praying for her. Who's praying for the single parent with cancer, or anyone else not in the media limelight for that matter? Those are the people I pray for. People like her sold their souls to the devil to get where they are. Let Lucifer comfort her in her time of trial and tribulation.
[Phew! Two DUmmie threads in a row before yours displaying some normality. Thank you for bringing this discussion back to its normal Dummie hate level.]
But when a person has that much hatred, it often manifests itself in physical ailments. For example, my first wife had so much hatred against me and resentment against society in general for the way she was treated for being a lesbian, she died of heart and kidney failure at age 46.
[Um… I could ask why you married a lesbian but since this is DUmmieland I guess it is not considered unusual.]
I didn't shed a tear for Barbara Olsen and I won't work up too much sympathy for Ingraham. Karma's a bitch, ain't it?
[Will Scamdy be saying that when he gets the handcuffs slapped on him this Thursday at Johns Hopkins.]
Couldn't have happened to a kinder, sweeter, more gentle...HARPY!!!!! It would be absolutely terrible if she choked on her own vomit while under anesthesia!!! I'm praying, I'm praying, I'm praying...
[Note to Elizabeth Edwards: The above is a comment from a TYPICAL DUmmie.]
I'm sick of reading these comments on a daily basis. And I, for one, am leaving permanently.
[A DUmmie sees the LIGHT and, as a result, LEAVES Dummieland.]
Locking......This discussion has run its course. DU Moderator.
[The Truths HURTS which is why you are also locking all Scamdy threads too.]
Sixty-one hours to go.
Well, they aren't wondering because they fall for Andy's purposes, which are to give him credibility!
Ping
It's like frank going out for cigs. Something breaks.
Very good point!! ^5
That was the first thing I thought. You're usually not star-struck by your close friends.
Yeah, this could very well go past Memorial Day--but the deal is, even if it drags on so long most lose interest in it, we accomplished the primary goal of shutting down the spigots of money.
Not all of it, but it's a trickle now, or drip-drops, instead of gushing.
Another goal of course is to see Andy in jail, so that he does not present a danger, a peril, to the child-like, imbeciles, incapables, and DUmmies.
But even if this stopped right now, well, it is going to be pretty difficult for Andy to raise money this way any more.
You know, I'm starting to worry and fret about the usually-ubiquitous DUmmie PUnidiot "William Pitt"--he's been absent an a-w-f-u-l long time.
Unless he uses words like "star-struck" to remind them of how IMPORTANT he is, how he has access to POWERFUL people, and how he's going to save them.
Barset, when are you going to come out and play?
Hey, dubyaismypresident, you were number one on the list of "comments" on that monstrous 4,600-comments thread just concluded--are you still with us, madam?
Or did you get lost?
That is quite a distinction, being at the head of a very long line.
A number of mind-manipulating cult leaders may exhibit many of the behavioral characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm and seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they are not easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a trained professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able to recognize the personality type in order to avoid further abuse. These traits also apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.
Glibness/Superficial Charm:
Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally.
Manipulative and Conning:
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self:
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." Craves adulation and attendance. Must be the center of attention with their own fantasies as the "spokesman for God," "enlightened," "leader of humankind," etc. Creates an us-versus-them mentality
Pathological Lying:
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt:
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions:
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion, it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love:
While they talk about "God's love" they are unable to give or receive it. Since they do not believe in the genuineness of their followers' love, they are very harsh in testing it from their devotees and expect them to feel guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.
Need for Stimulation:
Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy:
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Their skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power. Since the follower cannot believe their leader would callously hurt them, they rationalize the behavior as necessary for their (or the group's) own "good" and deny the abuse. When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a "spiritual rape" to them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature:
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others. The followers only see them as near perfect.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency:
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability:
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in the followers.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity:
Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden from all but the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their followers, such as forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents, rules for dating, etc.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle:
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future. Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or other utopian promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent lifestyle and the followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations from the followers who are pressured to give through fear and guilt. Highly sensitive to their own pain and health.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility:
Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and to increase income and to recruit a range of members. Is able to adapt or relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new name, a new front group and a new twist on the scam.
Other Related Qualities:
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
Uh-huh.
That's Andy, to a tee.
A perfect match.
The guy in person must be a real charmer, even if obese with decadent body-odor.
Which I alleged 4,987 or so comments ago (and fortunately many agreed).
How naive can a person be?
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