To: theconservativerepublican
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2 posted on 12/24/2004 10:26:44 PM CST by martin_fierro (Hines Ward is my son! OK, not really, but it'd be nice.)
Posted on 04/24/2005 6:21:32 PM PDT by TapTheSource
ping!!!
I found this passage VERY interesting: "According to the Commission, he provided false information that seriously misled the CIA to conclude Iraq had biological weapons. But she is wrong that Curveball was a product of the Bush administration. He defected during the Clinton Administration."
Good article, but you need to add more of the Keywords, as
"WMD" or something, that would pull this article, if I searched
for it.
I think they were there, as the Free Republic Photo thread,
that was posted each day, sorry, can't spell the name, but
it is Diogenics or some thing close to that, the "You Gotta
See This" threads, there were enough photo's there to
convince me that they existed.
The missles with WMD tips and the barrels of nuclear stuff,
that the inspectors stuck seals on and left, where they found them.
Ping
ping
Thanks Granny...I updated the Keywords to include WMD. Feel free to add more if you like. Hope all is well with you and yours--TTS
Though he's not a complete fruitcake like Dowd.
... to become the lone C.I.A. source with the news that Iraq was cooking up biological agents in mobile facilities hidden from arms inspectors and Western spies."
There wasn't just a "sole source" on the mobile labs. UN weapons inspectors had come across hints about the mobile labs in their inspections in the nineties- one of the sources didn't pop up until 2000, and he confirmed what they already suspected based on other intel. But even he wasn't the last anyone heard of it...
* First humint source : Although Iraq's mobile production program began in the mid-1990s, UN inspectors at the time only had vague hints of such programs. Confirmation came later, in the year 2000. The source was an eyewitness, an Iraqi chemical engineer who supervised one of these facilities. He actually was present during biological agent production runs. He was also at the site when an accident occurred in 1998. 12 technicians died from exposure to biological agents.He reported that when UNSCOM was in country and inspecting, the biological weapons agent production always began on Thursdays at midnight, because Iraq thought UNSCOM would not inspect on the Muslim holy day, Thursday night through Friday.
He added that this was important because the units could not be broken down in the middle of a production run, which had to be completed by Friday evening before the inspectors might arrive again.
This defector is currently hiding in another country with the certain knowledge that Saddam Hussein will kill him if he finds him. His eyewitness account of these mobile production facilities has been corroborated by other sources.
* A second source. An Iraqi civil engineer in a position to know the details of the program confirmed the existence of transportable facilities moving on trailers.
* A third source, also in a position to know, reported in summer, 2002, that Iraq had manufactured mobile production systems mounted on road-trailer units and on rail cars.
Finally,
* a fourth source. An Iraqi major who defected confirmed that Iraq has mobile biological research laboratories in addition to the production facilities I mentioned earlier.
---------- "Iraq's bioweapons program: detailed info on mobile labs from pre-war intel.," US State Dept., Feb. 7, 2003
Also, the mobile labs are still thought to be just that- mobile labs. Of the three groups of experts who analyzed the stripped down and scrubbed trucks we found, all three groups came to the same conclusion, that the trucks' most probable use was for biolabs.
The only dissenting voices were in the form of anonymous sources in the NY Times who admitted they hadn't actually seen the labs in person- so what they based their alleged conclusions on is unclear.
Then the press came up with the "hydrogen balloon for antiaircraft use excuse," which it turns out was sourced to Iraqi scientists who said one of the labs was for making hydrogen. Nice try but no di.
From the CIA report we have:Legitimate Uses Unlikely
Coalition experts on fermentation and systems engineering examined the trailer found in late April and have been unable to identify any legitimate industrial use—such as water purification, mobile medical laboratory, vaccine or pharmaceutical production—that would justify the effort and expense of a mobile production capability. We have investigated what other industrial processes may require such equipment—a fermentor, refrigeration, and a gas capture system—and agree with the experts that BW agent production is the only consistent, logical purpose for these vehicles.The capability of the system to capture and compress exhaust gases produced during fermentation is not required for legitimate biological processes and strongly indicates attempts to conceal production activity.
The presence of caustic in the fermentor combined with the recent painting of the plant may indicate an attempt to decontaminate and conceal the plant's purpose.
Finally, the data plate on the fermentor indicates that this system was manufactured in 2002 and yet it was not declared to the United Nations, as required by Security Council Resolutions.
Some coalition analysts assess that the trailer found in late April could be used for bioproduction but believe it may be a newer prototype because the layout is not entirely identical to what the source described.
A New York Times article on 13 May 2003 reported that an agricultural expert suggests the trailers might have been intended to produce biopesticides near agricultural areas in order to avoid degradation problems. The same article also reported that a former weapons inspector suggests that the trailers may be chemical-processing units intended to refurbish Iraq's antiaircraft missiles.
Biopesticide production requires the same equipment and technology used for BW agent production; however, the off-gas collection system and the size of the equipment are unnecessary for biopesticide production. There is no need to produce biopesticides near the point of use because biopesticides do not degrade as quickly as most BW agents and would be more economically produced at a large fixed facility. In addition, the color of the trailer found in mid-April is indicative of military rather than civilian use.
Our missile experts have no explanation for how such a trailer could function to refurbish antiaircraft missiles and judge that such a use is unlikely based on the scale, configuration, and assessed function of the equipment.
The experts cited in the editorial are not on the scene and probably do not have complete access to information about the trailers.
73 posted on 02/19/2004 7:58:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
==Bear in mind that Edward J Epstein's no conservative either...
I'm not sure where Epstein falls in the political spectrum as he has never declared his political affiliation. However, virtually all of his books provide the kind of evidence that naturally supports conservative causes. That's because he sticks to the facts IMO.
I cite him fairly often myself in the timelines I post here.
That is odd. Because Alibek, who defected during the Clinton Administration, also provided information that scientists from Russia's bioweapons program defected to Iraq.
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Shouldn't you put "defected" into quotation marks? After all, Russia has been the driving force behind Iraq's military, weapons and intel. apparatus ever since the advent of Saddam Hussein.
I posit our "rush to war" [fourteen months, preceded by truck-mounted lighted signs WE'RE COMING! HIDE OR MOVE YOUR WMDs!] was not quite rushed enough--
--that the WMDs were a) buried; b) dumped in rivers; c) moved [Syria, Iran] before we arrived.
To be sure, disinformation abounds--it's that "wilderness of mirrors" thing.
Certain evidence still demands explanation: an entire undetected lower level to the uranium facility, undetected by the so-wonderful inspectors and IAEA.
The Mr. Frostee trucks--except that they weren't dual-use (i.e., good for bioweapons, bad for ice cream).
Ken Alibeck defected: he's described the 60,000 personnel and tens of sealed sites of the Biopreparat program, insisting it was never dismantled.
I don't think it's in dispute that Russia armed Saddam even after our invasion--and may have move WMDs to Syria.
A good source is Bill Gertz, Treachery: How America's Friends and Foes are Arming Our Enemies, Crown, 2004.
That is an interesting thought too.
Ever read about Operation Paperclip?
In light of this, now what do you think?
>>> --that the WMDs were a) buried; b) dumped in rivers; c) moved [Syria, Iran] before we arrived.
Don't forget the mysterious ships we have never heard about again!
=== , personally I expect to see no full accounting in my life time as to what was what and where is where.
They'll have their hands full just figuring out where the 300 billion (to date) has gone.
To: theconservativerepublican
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2 posted on 12/24/2004 10:26:44 PM CST by martin_fierro (Hines Ward is my son! OK, not really, but it'd be nice.)
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