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Guardian Ad Litem Report on Terri Schiavo (everyone should read this)
http://jb-williams.com/ts-report-12-03.htm ^ | 12/03 | Jay Wolfson

Posted on 03/23/2005 12:33:00 PM PST by teenyelliott

A REPORT TO GOVERNOR JEB BUSH AND THE 6TH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN THE MATTER OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO Pursuant to the requirements of H.B. 35-E (Chapter 2003-418, Laws of Florida) and the Order of the Hon. David Demers, Chief Judge, Florida 6th Judicial Circuit regarding the appointment and duties of a Guardian Ad Litem in the matter of Theresa Marie Schiavo, Incapacitated. Respectfully Submitted Jay Wolfson, DrPH, JD, Guardian Ad Litem for Theresa Marie Schiavo 1 December 2003

On 31 October 2003, pursuant to the requirements of Florida H.B. 35-E (Chapter 2003- 418, Laws of Florida) and the order of the Hon. David Demers, Chief Judge, Florida 6th Judicial Circuit, a Guardian Ad Litem was appointed for a period of thirty days with the following charge: "…make a report and recommendations to the Governor as to whether the Governor should lift the stay that he previously entered. The report will specifically address the feasibility and value of swallow tests for this ward and the feasibility and value of swallow therapy. Additionally, the report will include a thorough summary of everything that has taken place in the trial court and the appellate court concerning this case."

The entire court file of thirteen years, including items of evidence, has been reviewed and studied, with particular attention given to decision points in the case history that are reflected in motions to and orders by the Court. The case review has included clinical and medical records, discussions with members of the family, caregivers, and with medical, legal, bioethical and religious practitioners and scholars and the conduct of independent research into the substantive issues in this case. The GAL has met regularly with Ms. Schiavo, his ward.
[break] Theresa suffered a cardiac arrest. During the several minutes it took for paramedics to arrive, Theresa experienced loss of oxygen to the brain, or anoxia, for a period sufficiently long to cause permanent loss of brain function. Despite heroic efforts to resuscitate, Theresa remained unconscious and slipped into a coma. She was intubated, ventilated and trached, meaning that she was given life saving medical technological interventions, without which she surely would have died that day.

The cause of the cardiac arrest was adduced to a dramatically reduced potassium level in Theresa's body. Sodium and potassium maintain a vital, chemical balance in the human body that helps define the electrolyte levels. The cause of the imbalance was not clearly identified, but may be linked, in theory, to her drinking 10-15 glasses of iced tea each day. While no formal proof emerged, the medical records note that the combination of aggressive weight loss, diet control and excessive hydration raised questions about Theresa suffering from Bulimia, an eating disorder, more common among women than men, in which purging through vomiting, laxatives and other methods of diet control becomes obsessive.

Theresa spent two and a half months as an inpatient at Humana Northside Hospital, eventually emerging from her coma state, but not recovering consciousness. On 12 May 1990, following extensive testing, therapy and observation, she was discharged to the College Park skilled care and rehabilitation facility. Forty-nine days later, she was transferred again to Bayfront Hospital for additional, aggressive rehabilitation efforts. In September of 1990, she was brought home, but following only three weeks, she was returned to the College Park facility because the "family was overwhelmed by Terry's care needs."

On 18 June 1990, Michael was formally appointed by the court to serve as Theresa's legal guardian, because she was adjudicated to be incompetent by law. Michael's appointment was undisputed by the parties.

The clinical records within the massive case file indicate that Theresa was not responsive to neurological and swallowing tests. She received regular and intense physical, occupational and speech therapies.

Theresa's husband, Michael Schiavo and her mother, Mary Schindler, were virtual partners in their care of and dedication to Theresa. There is no question but that complete trust, mutual caring, explicit love and a common goal of caring for and rehabilitating Theresa, were the shared intentions of Michael Shiavo and the Schindlers.

In late Autumn of 1990, following months of therapy and testing, formal diagnoses of persistent vegetative state with no evidence of improvement, Michael took Theresa to California, where she received an experimental thalamic stimulator implant in her brain. Michael remained in California caring for Theresa during a period of several months and returned to Florida with her in January of 1991. Theresa was transferred to the Mediplex Rehabilitation Center in Brandon, where she received 24 hour skilled care, physical, occupational, speech and recreational therapies.

Despite aggressive therapies, physician and other clinical assessments consistently revealed no functional abilities, only reflexive, rather than cognitive movements, random eye opening, no communication system and little change cognitively or functionally.

On 19 July 1991 Theresa was transferred to the Sable Palms skilled care facility. Periodic neurological exams, regular and aggressive physical, occupational and speech therapy continued through 1994.

Michael Schiavo, on Theresa's and his own behalf, initiated a medical malpractice lawsuit against the obstetrician who had been overseeing Theresa's fertility therapy. In 1993, the malpractice action concluded in Theresa and Michael's favor, resulting in a two element award: More than $750,000 in economic damages for Theresa, and a loss of consortium award (non economic damages) of $300,000 to Michael. The court established a trust fund for Theresa's financial award, with SouthTrust Bank as the Guardian and an independent trustee. This fund was meticulously managed and accounted for and Michael Schiavo had no control over its use. There is no evidence in the record of the trust administration documents of any mismanagement of Theresa's estate, and the records on this matter are excellently maintained.

All court records were accessed and reviewed, including all items of evidence in the case. Extensive discussions were held with family members and caregivers along with the acquisition and review of background data and information from the case file to assist the Guardian Ad Litem in becoming as personally acquainted with his ward, Theresa Schiavo as possible, in the short time available. The Guardian Ad Litem has made numerous and frequent visits to Theresa at the hospice where she resides, including an arranged visit with her parents to observe interactions. The Guardian ad Litem has met with and discussed aspects of Theresa's case with hospice staff, physician cardiologists, gastroenterologists, internists, neurologists, neurosurgeons, trauma specialists, anesthesiologists, swallowing disorder specialists; speech pathologists specializing in rehabilitation, swallowing tests and swallowing therapy; and with clergy, elder law specialists, bioethicists, and health policy specialists. In addition to reading the nearly 30,000 pages of court records, the Guardian Ad Litem has conducted a review of the medical literature and has received thousands of unsolicited documents, sources of referral, claims regarding successful interventions, and wishes of good luck.

In 1989, the Florida Legislature permitted the withdrawal of artificial nutrition and hydration under very specific circumstances. In 1999, following extensive bipartisan efforts, life-prolonging procedures were redefined as "any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function." It is noteworthy that the general principle of artificial nutrition as artificial life support that may be removed in terminal and even vegetative state conditions is reflected in nearly all state's laws and within the guidelines of end of life care enunciated by the American Conference of Catholic Bishops and other religious denominations.

These general principles are in no way intended to encourage or condone suicide or assisted suicide. But they reflect the acceptance of artificial nutrition as artificial life support that may be withdrawn or withheld as a matter of public policy, when these decisions capture the intentions of the person and with the premise that people should not be required to remain "artificially alive", or to have their natural peaceful deaths postponed and prolonged if they would otherwise choose not to, and that they should be allowed to die with dignity, and return, if their beliefs so accommodate, to God.

If persons unable to speak for themselves have decisions made on their behalf by guardians or family members, the potential for abuse, barring clear protections, could lead to a "slippery slope" of actions to terminate the lives of disabled and incompetent persons. And it is not difficult to imagine bad decisions being made in order to make life easier for a family or to avoid spending funds remaining in the estate on the maintenance of a person.

There is, of course, the other side of that slippery slope, which would be to keep people in a situation they would never dream of: unable to die, unable to communicate, dependent for everything, and unaware, being maintained principally or entirely through state resources – and for reasons that may relate to guilt, fear, needs or wants of family members, rather than what the person's best wishes might otherwise have been.

Justice Scalia has admonished us to rely upon and accept the role of state lawmakers and laws to address issues of this very nature. Though his point of reference was Missouri law relative to an evidentiary standard, his message remains that it is up to states to establish the rules and guidelines in these matters.

"I would have preferred that we announce, clearly and promptly, that the federal courts have no business in this field; that American law has always accorded the State the power to prevent, by force if necessary, suicide - including suicide by refusing to take appropriate measures necessary to preserve one's life; that the point at which life becomes "worthless," and the point at which the means necessary to preserve it become "extraordinary" or "inappropriate," are neither set forth in the Constitution nor known to the nine Justices of this Court any better than they are known to nine people picked at random from the Kansas City telephone directory; and hence, that even when it is demonstrated by clear and convincing evidence that a patient no longer wishes certain measures to be taken to preserve her life, it is up to the citizens of Missouri to decide, through their elected representatives, whether that wish will be honored. It is quite impossible (because the Constitution says nothing about the matter) that those citizens will decide upon a line less lawful than the one we would choose; and it is unlikely (because we know no more about "life-and-death" than they do) that they will decide upon a line less reasonable." (emphasis added) Cruzan v. Director, MDH, 497, U.S. 261 (1990)

Justice O'Connor reinforces the High Court's view that it is to the states and their legislative process that the Supreme Court turns to grapple with these matters:

"Today we decide only that one State's practice does not violate the Constitution; the more challenging task of crafting appropriate procedures for safeguarding incompetents' liberty interests is entrusted to the "laboratory" of the States, New State Ice Co. v. Liebmann, 285 U.S. 262, 311 (1932) (Brandeis, J., dissenting), in the first instance." Cruzan v. Director, MDH, 497, U.S. 261 (1990)

And even if we are not happy with the result in a case – or the application and interpretation of the law, we are reminded by Chief Justice Renquist, writing for the Court that general rules of law – indeed, even the law itself, is neither flawless nor faultless:

"But the Constitution does not require general rules to work faultlessly; no general rule can." Cruzan v. Director, MDH, 497, U.S. 261 (1990)

Evidence regarding the persistent vegetative state consisted of highly credible medical testimony and documentation reflecting both early and recently performed neurological examinations and a case history that included early swallowing studies conducted multiple times nearly ten years ago.

Three, independent sets of swallowing tests were performed early in Theresa's medical treatment: 1991, 1992 and 1993. Each of these determined that Theresa was not able to swallow without risk of aspiration (and consequent infection).

The ability to orally ingest food and water – to swallow substances other than saliva, is predicated on a level of cognitive capacity. Without cognitive capacity, the intentional act of oral nutrition and hydration is likely to lead to aspiration. Eating and drinking are not unconscious processes. Therefore, Theresa's neurological status is directly linked to her ability to swallow.

A particularly disarming aspect of persons diagnosed with persistent vegetative state is that they have waking and sleeping cycles. When awake, their eyes are often open, they make noises, they appear to track movement, they respond to deep pain, and appear startled by loud noises. Further, because the autonomic nervous system those brain related functions are not affected, they can often breathe (without a respirator) and swallow (saliva). But there is no purposeful, reproducible, interactive, awareness. There is some controversy within the scientific medical literature regarding the characterization and diagnosis of persons in a persistent vegetative state. Highly competent, scientifically based physicians using recognized measures and standards have deduced, within a high degree of medical certainty, that Theresa is in a persistent vegetative state. This evidence is compelling.

Terri is a living, breathing human being. When awake, she sometimes groans, makes noises that emulate laughter or crying, and may appear to track movement. But the scientific medical literature and the reports this GAL obtained from highly respected neuro-science researchers indicate that these activities are common and characteristic of persons in a persistent vegetative state.

In the month during which the GAL conducted research, interviews and compiled information, he sought to visit with Theresa as often as possible, sometimes daily, and sometimes, more than once each day. During that time, the GAL was not able to independently determine that there were consistent, repetitive, intentional, reproducible interactive and aware activities. When Theresa's mother and father were asked to join the GAL, there was no success in eliciting specific responses. Hours of observed video tape recordings of Theresa offer little objective insight about her awareness and interactive behaviors. There are instances where she appears to respond specifically to her mother. But these are not repetitive or consistent. There were instances during the GAL's visits, when responses seemed possible, but they were not consistent in any way.

This having been said, Theresa has a distinct presence about her. Being with Theresa, holding her hand, looking into her eyes and watching how she is lovingly treated by Michael, her parents and family and the clinical staff at hospice is an emotional experience. It would be easy to detach from her if she were comatose, asleep with her eyes closed and made no noises. This is the confusing thing for the lay person about persistent vegetative states.

Theresa's neurological tests and CT scans indicate objective measures of the persistent vegetative state. These data indicate that Theresa's cerebral cortex is principally liquid, having shrunken due to the severe anoxic trauma experienced thirteen years ago. The initial oxygen deprivation caused damage that could not be repaired, and the brain tissue in that area continued to devolve. It is noteworthy to recall that from the time of her collapse, and for more than three years, Theresa did receive active physical, occupational, speech and even recreational therapy. There is evidence early in her records of care that she said "no" during physical therapy session. That behavior did not recur and was not further referenced.

In the observed circumstances, the behavior that Theresa manifests is attributable to brain stem and forebrain functions that are reflexive, rather than cognitive. And the substantive difference according to neurologists and neurosurgeons is that reflexive activities of this nature are neither conscious nor aware activities. And without cognition, there is no awareness.

The parties cooperated completely with the GAL during the thirty day investigation, analysis and report preparation. The issue of feasibility and value, raised in the court charge, and discussed throughout this report, provided the basis for very serious discussions among the parties regarding an agreement to pursue an alternative process in order to resolve the disputes in this matter and gain closure for Theresa.

Of the Schindlers, there has evolved the unfortunate and inaccurate perception that they will "keep Theresa alive at any and all costs" even if that were to result in her limbs being amputated and additional, complex surgical and medical interventions being performed, and even if Theresa had expressly indicated her intention not to be so maintained. During the course of the GAL's investigation, the Schindlers allow that this is not accurate, and that they never intended to imply a gruesome maintenance of Theresa at all costs.

Of Michael Schiavo, there is the incorrect perception that he has refused to relinquish his guardianship because of financial interests, and more recently, because of allegations that he actually abused Theresa and seeks to hide this. There is no evidence in the record to substantiate any of these perceptions or allegations.

The Schindlers and the Schiavos are normal, decent people who have found themselves within the construct of an exceptional circumstance which none of them, indeed, few reasonable and normal people could have imagined. As a consequence of this circumstance, extensive urban mythology has created toxic clouds, causing the parties and others to behave in ways that may not, in the order of things, serve the best interests of the ward.

Read the full report here


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To: AmericaUnited
...all of Terri's friends say the scumbag abused and controlled her...

...she told them she was getting a divorce.

Scumbag must have been told that and flipped out, coming within minutes of completely choking the life out of her.

The only reason he got her all of that great care initially is for the lawsuit

THE MINUTE THE MONEY WAS AWARDED, ALL CARE CEASED

I've heard all this before but have never seen a link to the original information. Can you provide a link?

Actually, even if all those rumors are true, they don't make any difference. The ONLY thing that makes a difference in this case is Terri's wishes for end-of-life care. If she expressed a desire not to be hooked up to machines and tubes, then that desire should be fulfilled. If she was thinking of getting a divorce, that has no bearing on whether to let her continue living hooked up to the machines she hated. You understand that?

141 posted on 03/23/2005 5:26:27 PM PST by Tarantulas
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To: brytlea
You heard her say this?

Read and learn.

142 posted on 03/23/2005 5:27:36 PM PST by Tarantulas
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To: brytlea

Then:

1. It is a State issue, not a Federal one
2. Pursue through Legislation. We (conservatives) always scream when the bench goes against the plain text of the law. I guess that is only the laws we like. If the court UPHOLDS the law, we scream now.

Like I said, Bizarro DU world these last few days.


143 posted on 03/23/2005 5:30:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: Tarantulas

I didn't see you're name in there anywhere. What was I supposed to learn?
susie


144 posted on 03/23/2005 5:30:40 PM PST by brytlea
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To: freedumb2003

I don't scream. Maybe you shouldn't either. You don't get taken seriously if you do.
susie


145 posted on 03/23/2005 5:31:37 PM PST by brytlea
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To: conserv13

Compassionate people do not kill through dehydration.


146 posted on 03/23/2005 5:33:13 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Re-elect Rossi in 2005!)
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To: brytlea

huh?

What is this about screaming?


147 posted on 03/23/2005 5:38:50 PM PST by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: Tarantulas

However, you fail to include Teri's thoughts on Karen Ann Quinlan which is contradictory to the testimonies of the Schiavo's. By the way...no ambiguity? That's nonsense. That's like saying she was planning to be in the condition she is currently in and therefore could decide what she wanted off the cuff. Secondly, what machine are you talking about? She is fed through a tube, because Michael Schiavo ordered her not to be spoon fed. Nurse Sauer's affidavit, which was ignored explicitly said she was feeding Teri with a baby bottle, puddings, jellos, and ice chips. If she could not swallow she would die of asphyxiation from her own saliva now. Why is she fed only on a feeding tube?...gee the courts and michael schiavo have not allowed such medical questions to be answered...along with why he didn't fix her wheelchair, along with why he doesn't allow music or tv to be on in the room, along with keeping the shades down in the room. Let's ask more questions about Claus von Schiavo. Why did it take a subpoena to finally bring out an ex girlfriend by the name of Cindy Shook to talk about how MS didn't know what teri wanted. Why was Cindy Shook so scared of MS?(http://www.zimp.org/stuff/06%20-%20CindyShookDepo.htm) Why did MS attack Bobby Schindler?(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1368376/posts) And how many nurses have come forward at this point with menacing stories regarding MS? Do you truly believe all these people are lying for some benefit of their own? The feeding tube IS NOT some kind of respirator that keeps an organ running, it's just how she is allowed to eat. Do you realize how many MOBILE individuals in this world are fed thru tubes?


148 posted on 03/23/2005 5:44:12 PM PST by paltz (no, really...I'm taking you seriously.)
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To: Tarantulas
I've heard all this before but have never seen a link to the original information.

Can you read? There have been many, many posts, links, etc. posted here at FR.

Can you provide a link?

No. Why I should I spend the time just because you are too lazy? Go back over the many different threads and look yourself. They are there.

Actually, even if all those rumors are true, they don't make any difference. The ONLY thing that makes a difference in this case is Terri's wishes for end-of-life care.

Exactly! And no one knows for sure!!! Terri's friends and family all say she would never (understand the word never?) have said she she wanted to have her life ended. Only the scummy husband who has GIGANTIC conflicts of interest and has shown himself to be a liar big time.

149 posted on 03/23/2005 5:44:39 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
How could he try to isolate her from her family when they lived with her family the whole time they were married. Including when she collapsed and he continued to live with them for three more years. Also I beleive they would have know if there was abuse in their home, but maybe not. I know if my daughter and her husband had lived with me for three years after they were married, I would have know if there was abuse and stopped it.
150 posted on 03/23/2005 8:10:46 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: Tarantulas
"So who do you guys believe if you don't believe the Schiavos? All the Schindlers had was a couple of people who remembered Terri saying something vague about the matter when she was 11-12 years old. There were inconsistencies in their testimony, too. Do you believe them over the Schiavos? If so, why?"

I don't think one has to believe either side. I don't think that's the issue. The law requires that the person stay on life support UNLESS there is clear and convincing evidence that the patient would refuse life support, however that term is defined. In this case, I think there are serious questions about Terri's desires, specifically because the family disagrees. Therefore, the law should presume in favor of life.

I believe the doctors (and it should have stayed at that level) should do nothing to end the life of a patient when the family and other witnesses disagree about the patient's wishes. I was a critical care nurse for years. There were times we removed people from life support in hopeless situations. The doctors typically acted at the request of a very unified family who all insisted the patient did not want life support, after ensuring they heard from all immediate family members, which would include spouse, adult children, siblings, and parents. Whenever the family disagreed, or if there were questions about their credibility, the doctor erred on the side of life. I shudder to think of all the people who would have died if the decision was left up to just one or a few members of a large family.

Note, in Ohio "life support" does not mean nutrition and hydration. I've NEVER seen food and water withdrawn in all my years of practice. I've seen dying patients refuse food and water, but it was always offered.

151 posted on 03/24/2005 5:19:07 AM PST by keats5
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To: keats5
I didn't see you're name in there anywhere. What was I supposed to learn?

It's the testimony from the original trial that establishes how Terri didn't want to be kept alive by life support. In Florida, the feeding tube is considered to be life support.

However, you fail to include Teri's thoughts on Karen Ann Quinlan which is contradictory to the testimonies of the Schiavo's.

The judge took those thoughts into account, but (as has been posted at least twice in this thread) concluded that since those thoughts were expressed at an age of 11-12, and were ambiguous, probably expressing concern for Ms. Quinlan rather than a preference for her own life-ending choice, those thoughts were not applicable.

Secondly, what machine are you talking about?

In Florida, the feeding tube is considered to be life support.

Nurse Sauer's affidavit, which was ignored explicitly said she was feeding Teri with a baby bottle, puddings, jellos, and ice chips.

Which trial was that from?

If she could not swallow she would die of asphyxiation from her own saliva now.

From what I've read, "reflex swallowing" in PVS takes care of saliva. It can also take down pudding, baby food, etc., if you know what you're doing and are extremely careful in how you feed the patient. That feeding takes a long time though, and that's where you come into the danger of aspirating food into the lungs which causes...pneumonia? I think.

The ONLY thing that makes a difference in this case is Terri's wishes for end-of-life care.

Exactly! And no one knows for sure!

They do know for sure. Terri's wishes were established during the very first trial..

In this case, I think there are serious questions about Terri's desires, specifically because the family disagrees.

The court didn't think there were serious questions. That's why it ruled that Terri didn't want to be kept alive that way.

Note, in Ohio "life support" does not mean nutrition and hydration.

In Florida it does. By law.

(10) "Life-prolonging procedure" means any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function. The term does not include the administration of medication or performance of medical procedure, when such medication or procedure is deemed necessary to provide comfort care or to alleviate pain.

Whenever the family disagreed, or if there were questions about their credibility, the doctor erred on the side of life.

And that's exactly what happened here. When Michael realized Terri was in PVS, would never get better, and was being kept alive in the way she said she didn't want to be, he decided to let her go. Her family disagreed with him. The doctors "erred on the side of life" and kept her alive. And the courts have "erred on the side of life" for all these years of litigation and legislation and multiple appeals. There is "clear and convincing evidence" that she stated, multiple times, as an adult, that she didn't want to be a vegetable and be kept alive hooked up to tubes and machines.

Some people are responding to this case as though it's brand new. It's actually fifteen years old and has come to it's reasonable ending. If not for the sleazy theatrics of the Schindler family and their attorney, no one outside Florida would have ever heard of it. It is long past time to say goodbye to Terri's body and allow the healing process to begin for both families.

152 posted on 03/24/2005 10:02:41 AM PST by Tarantulas
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To: freedumb2003
Did you read your own post?
2. Pursue through Legislation. We (conservatives) always scream
Your welcome.
susie
153 posted on 03/24/2005 10:26:52 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Tarantulas

I think you have me mixed in with someone else. The vast majority of questions you attributed to me in post 152 were not from me.


154 posted on 03/24/2005 1:10:00 PM PST by keats5
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To: keats5

Yeah, I included several responses in a single reply. Sorry for the confusion.


155 posted on 03/24/2005 3:04:39 PM PST by Tarantulas
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To: brytlea

Oh, that screaming.

Thanks for the reminder.


156 posted on 03/24/2005 3:37:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: outofhere2
Also, when did bulimia cause broken bones

Actually, loss of bone mass resulting in very brittle bones and accompanying breakage, is one of the symptoms of Bulimia. Lack of proper nutrition and all.

How stupid can some people be?

I don't know. You tell me. But I do know they can be very uninformed.

157 posted on 03/25/2005 3:28:51 PM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: teenyelliott

Bump for later read.

Missed this one.


158 posted on 03/30/2005 3:24:34 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
A lot of people did.

Have you been to the smoky back room?
159 posted on 03/30/2005 3:29:01 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green is made of liberals...)
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To: teenyelliott
NO, but it gives me a very different perspective.

I still would have liked the Shindlers to have her and care for her. Hopefully 15 years later it would not be so "overwhelming". The Shindlers made a series of bad moves here.
160 posted on 03/30/2005 3:50:06 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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