Posted on 03/23/2005 5:49:34 AM PST by xzins
It is evident that attending nurses have affidavits affirming that Terri Schiavo was able only a few short years ago to ingest food and water orally.
This is also evidenced by the "guardian's" insistence on police overlooking her room to prevent her parents from doing just that....a secret drink, an ice chip, etc.
The judge's order is that the tube not be reinserted.
There is no moral order able to be given that she not have the CHANCE to eat and drink in a manner normal for babies and others who might find themselves in a dependent status.
Everyone in "right to die" land is saying "Let her go NATURALLY."
OK....if that is accepted, then it is only fair, judicious, humane, and NATURAL to have a good faith attempt by totally uninvolved, neutral caregivers to give her food and water orally.
Change strategy -- demand the natural feeding of Terri Schiavo if there is no hope of a feeding tube being inserted! Demand Federal intervention to require this reasonable and NATURAL act!
Let's put the lie to supposedly humane cries for a "Natural" death for Terri Schiavo.
Finally, to give her water would be the side that is affirmed by Jesus Christ Himself: "Mr 9:41 - And whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of My name, since you belong to the Messiah-- I assure you: He will never lose his reward. "
No one is now saying she is brain dead. They are saying she is brain damaged.
Many testify to her uncanny ability at what appears to be attempts to communicate.
What is "within a reasonable doubt" in this death penalty case?
Also, we don't kill pre-born babies because we believe in life....not because of the valuation we place on their brains.
It is better to side with life from conception to the grave. It is simply a principle that holds the most hope for humanity.
It has happened here, what with Roe v. Wade and Casey v. Planned Parenthood.
But that is neither here nor there as regards this case. Roe was concenred with the slaughter of very-much-alive innocents; Schindler v. Schaivo is concerned with a woman who died 15 years ago, but her body still lingers on.
There's a world of difference; letting your emotions obscure this fact from you does not help your argument any.
If you want to argue that she is actually alive, and that her cerebral cortex is not liquified, go ahead. As I see it, that's the dispositive issue.
I'm really surprised at you Jude. No actual life there? Are you claiming that such a creature is not a child of God? Do you have some scripture to back up any claim that a child who does not have the ability to reason is not a human being? Is this not a creature for whom Christ died?
Since when is brain activity indicative of the presence of a soul?
By your standard first trimester abortions are just peachy fine with God. After all, there is no "actual life" there, is there?
Jude, think about your position here. Really. Think about it.
No. Her parents and activists, who desparately want to believe that she can recover, testify to that effect. I attribute it to the power of denial.
Head CT scans do not lie.
Winston, who do you imagine enforcing this living will?
Who do you imagine enforcing your regular will?
Can the authorities require the enforcing of your will on a particular time scheme?
Jude, there are doctors who disagree on the CAT scan and what it means.
I have "within a reasonable doubt" concerns about the current status of Terri Schiavo.
I worked as an asst chaplain on a comatose ward at a Vet's Hospital. I know a totally out of it person when I see one, and she is far, far, far more active than any I ever had.
Exactly and your position that there is no actual life there is the same argument that the death merchants used in Roe and Casey. Think about that for a minute.
If you want to argue that she is actually alive, and that her cerebral cortex is not liquified, go ahead. As I see it, that's the dispositive issue.
First of all the tests that would make that determination have not been done. They have not performed an F-MRI or other tests. But even if her cortex is liquifiec, are you ruling out the possibility of a divine miracle? She is alive for a purpose. I thought you calvinists believed that God was in control.
There was a lady on TV the other night who listened in to conversations about pulling the plug on her after her stroke. The doctors in the room told her husband that there was no possibility of her recovery and suggested he pull the plug. Her husband didn't listen.
So, let me get this straight, Counselor. If I write a document directing that I not be be maintained in a totally brain-debilitated condition, and force fed and diapered for 15 years, I'm in agreement with the Nazi's in their killing of the Jews.
That seems like a coherent argument to you, does it?
Why don't you just swallow all the pretty pills in the little paper cup and you will feel better.
No, I'm not. I'm claiming that, when her cerebral cortex was liquified, she died, and entered eternity.
? Do you have some scripture to back up any claim that a child who does not have the ability to reason is not a human being?
No, but that is not my contention.
Is this not a creature for whom Christ died?
Neither here nor there if she already died.
Since when is brain activity indicative of the presence of a soul?
It's the most reliable medical indicator; once it disappears, it doesn't come back.
By your standard first trimester abortions are just peachy fine with God. After all, there is no "actual life" there, is there?
There's a key difference: 1st trimester embyoes will eventually get that higher brain function; Terri Schaivo tragically lost hers when she died.
I, too, heard that. They were told she was PVS.
When she recovered they decided she couldn't be PVS because PVS's don't ever recover.
In that vignette, we see the horror that circular reasoning can sometimes bring about.
There it is, folks. It just arrived fully formed. The precondition to enforcement of a directive not to be maintained in a persistent vegetative state is 'merely' for your attorney-in-fact to go to court and prove that God cannot or will not, sometime in the next 15-20-30 years of forced feedings and diapers, undertake a direct creation miracle.
That seems like a reasonable precondition doesn't it?
You folks have totally lost it if you subscribe to that nonsense.
Well, then, don't you agree that we should give her a PETscan to resolve that critical, pivotal issue, before offing her?
My attorney-in-fact, or anyone else aware of its contents if he does not.
Who do you imagine enforcing your regular will?
My executor, or anyone else with a stake in its contents if he does not.
Can the authorities require the enforcing of your will on a particular time scheme?
Yup, it's called the Probate Code.
The time for discovery is before the trial.
In four days, hundreds of millions of people will celebrate the resurrection and ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ. Yeah, we've totally lost it. We actually believe this stuff.
And you draw from that what? That no one should be allowed to implement advance directives, because the program you saw on TV (ugh!) proved that we should all suffer in a brain-dead state 'just to be sure' we are really, truly, double-gosh-awful brain-dead?
You're the only guy I know who thinks the Probate Code is 'scary stuff.' Most lawyers I know have trouble staying awake while reading it.
Potential souls, huh? Well if they are merely "potential" souls, then where is the sin in killing them? Obviously these mere potential souls have no more spiritual worth than a puppy or a kitten and we kill them all the time because they are inconvienient.
Oh yeah, where is the death certificate on Terri Schiavo? If she'd already dead, then there must be a death certificate out there we missed.
Sorry jude, but I can't believe you thought like this before you entered law school.
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