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"How Does Same Sex Marriage Hurt My Marriage"
http://www.christianlifetools.org/templates/con12bl/details.asp?id=28178&PID=169618 ^ | 2-26-05 | James Franklin Reed

Posted on 02/26/2005 11:09:23 AM PST by James Franklin Reed

How does same sex marriage hurt my marriage? The question presupposes that marriage belongs to me in the first place. Marriage is an institution founded by God and exists by common grace for the benefit of all. It belongs to no one but God. It is not my marriage.

The second presupposition is that answering the question of same sex marriage forces us to jump past the most basic argument relating to the legitimacy of homosexual behavior itself.

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To: MikeinIraq

I have invited him privately to post a response. We'll see. But I say it's just as reasonable to conclude that we scared him off if he doesn't respond.


41 posted on 02/26/2005 12:09:46 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969; MikeinIraq

Yep. I remember it, too.


42 posted on 02/26/2005 12:11:03 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Hmmmm....

Somehow "Mike in Ohio" doesn't haave the same ring to it!

:-)


43 posted on 02/26/2005 12:15:15 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: mcg1969

If you DO hear from him, let us know!

I'm all curious now.


44 posted on 02/26/2005 12:16:12 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: James Franklin Reed
"The question presupposes that marriage belongs to me in the first place. Marriage is an institution founded by God and exists by common grace for the benefit of all. "

Nonsense. Our marriage belongs to us, and was founded by our love for one another relative to an objective reality. I respect Christians' contribution to western civ enough to join you in opposing gay marriage, but don’t respect this claim that someone’s concept of God founded my marriage. We own that, and don’t ask for anyone’s blessing.

45 posted on 02/26/2005 12:20:41 PM PST by elfman2 (Not paid to be PC)
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To: James Franklin Reed



Gay marriage is no worse than network Reality Shows that pair people up to be married or the soaring divorce rates that infect the American culture.


46 posted on 02/26/2005 12:20:54 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: mcg1969

You are correct. That's why I posted link on #8.


47 posted on 02/26/2005 12:26:40 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: Tempest
So if you're an atheist are you not entitled to get married then?

Marriage is a ceremonious sanctification.

Homosexual marriage advocates are seeking esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden egos. They seek ceremonious sanctification for preternatural prurient preferences.

An atheist would advocate a strictly secular standard based on human reproductive biology.

If homosexuality is NOT a choice, then it must be a birth defect...

48 posted on 02/26/2005 12:28:39 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: mcg1969
"As far as I can tell, the article agrees with you."

What?! Agreed with me!!?

To HELL with it, then!

49 posted on 02/26/2005 12:54:15 PM PST by Fido969
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To: RockinRye

However, the issue is not about marriage but normalcy and acceptance.

It is certainly about time that homosexual and lesbian individuals began taking responsibility for their own feelings.

It is evident that "they" are searching to find someone else to blame for the lack of perfection in their own narrow lives. Maybe it’s time for homosexuals and lesbians who "feel” so isolated to act grown up and do what other adults do when they "feel” bad. Look at yourself first.

If homosexuals and lesbians are so miserable as some seem to describe in these MSM articles, one would think that it might occur to them to ask if maybe they need to make some changes in their own lives.

However,who can believe that if the laws on marriage change, homosexuals and lesbians will suddenly "feel” better? I doubt that. You cannot be at peace with others until you are at peace with yourself.

Perhaps some homosexuals and lesbians are not so happy with their lifestyles as they have been told that they should be. And, for those homosexuals and lesbians who are not at ease with their own choice, no act of marriage or civil union will ever make them "feel” better.

Those who have move to "Greener pastures" in search of happiness often discover that despite new surroundings they are just as miserable as they were in the old place.


50 posted on 02/26/2005 1:30:17 PM PST by ijcr (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.)
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To: YOUGOTIT
Absolutely right, it's government sanctioning, government endorsement of perversion. It cheapens the whole institution of marriage, and were it legal, it opens the door to NOT allowing parents to raise their kids with morals and values, something every child has a right to. If we can't, due to the constant onslaught of teaching and desensitizing of this perverted lifestyle, as well as it being forced on the nation as "normal", where will our nation find leaders, or even everyday Americans with morals, integrity, and values, to carry on the future? We would have a society similar the old west, lawlessness and reckless abandon. Not to mention disease run rampant!
51 posted on 02/26/2005 1:31:01 PM PST by gidget7
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To: tiamat; MikeinIraq

Well, he did respond. He's definitely not a troll. But I don't know if he will return to this thread, either... I encouraged him to.


52 posted on 02/26/2005 1:41:53 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: ijcr
""Perhaps some homosexuals and lesbians are not so happy with their lifestyles as they have been told that they should be. And, for those homosexuals and lesbians who are not at ease with their own choice, no act of marriage or civil union will ever make them "feel” better. ""



YES!! I have said the very same thing many times to people who want to discuss it. They won't feel better, anymore than the prostitute would deep down inside, if prostitution became legal.
53 posted on 02/26/2005 1:42:04 PM PST by gidget7
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To: mcg1969

Good on you to encourage him!


54 posted on 02/26/2005 1:55:39 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: James Franklin Reed
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

"Gay Marriage" is a "trojan horse" method of attack by radical homosexual activists attempting to legitimize homosexuality in the courts and by legislation. Should homosexual marriage be legalized the end resuilt by judicial fiat would be ligitimized homosexuality across the board. This means that school children by law would be taught that homosexuality and homosexual behavior is "safe" and "normal" and by law parents will have no grounds to object.

Excerpts from Gay marriage 'rights' December 31, 2004 | Thomas Sowell

The issue is not individual rights. What the activists are seeking is official social approval of their lifestyle. But this is the antithesis of equal rights.

If you have a right to someone else's approval, then they do not have a right to their own opinions and values. You cannot say that what "consenting adults" do in private is nobody else's business and then turn around and say that others are bound to put their seal of approval on it.

[Snip]

The rhetoric of "equal rights" has become the road to special privilege for all sorts of groups, so perhaps it was inevitable that gay activists would take that road as well. It has worked. They have already succeeded in getting far more government money for AIDS than for other diseases that kill far more people.

The time is long overdue to stop word games about equal rights from leading to special privileges -- for anybody -- and gay marriage is as good an issue on which to do so as anything else.

What the activists really want is the stamp of acceptance on homosexuality, as a means of spreading that lifestyle, which has become a death style in the era of AIDS.

They have already succeeded to a remarkable degree in our public schools, where so-called "AIDS education" or other pious titles are put on programs that promote homosexuality. In some cases, gay activists actually come to the schools, not only to promote homosexuality as an idea but even to pass out the addresses of local gay hangouts to the kids.

There is no limit to what people will do if you let them get away with it. That our schools, which are painfully failing to educate our children to the standards in other countries, have time for promoting homosexuality is truly staggering.

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55 posted on 02/26/2005 1:58:44 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

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56 posted on 02/26/2005 2:00:18 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: James Franklin Reed
Excellent article, James. Thank you for finding it and posting. Two statements really stood out for me, and I KNOW them to be true.

How could a whole nation be so easily swayed into gross error? The answer is simple: Once the "terror of the transcendent" (as Hitler labeled the Judeo-Christian moral ethic) is removed, the rest is history.

AND

Remove the standards, and all things become permissible, and correction becomes nearly impossible.

57 posted on 02/26/2005 4:07:57 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short (SPEAK OUT against homosex & its offspring: bi-sex, transgendered, pedophilia, GLSEN, GSA...)
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To: RockinRye
I think religious marriage does belong to the people - the congregation should have a say in the theologic policy of their churches.

-note subtle message that follows: ANY MARRIAGE!

58 posted on 02/27/2005 2:51:05 AM PST by DBeers
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To: trumandogz
Gay marriage is no worse than network Reality Shows that pair people up to be married or the soaring divorce rates that infect the American culture.

Yes it is! Homosexual activity is and will always be intrinsically disordered.

The Natural Laws Can Not Be Denied
- Resistance Is Futile!

59 posted on 02/27/2005 2:59:04 AM PST by DBeers
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To: trumandogz
Gay marriage is no worse than network Reality Shows that pair people up to be married or the soaring divorce rates that infect the American culture.

Indeed. They are all tragic. But I hope you're not suggesting we should permit one just because we already permit the other. If anything we ought to be rolling back no-fault divorce laws.

60 posted on 02/27/2005 11:25:50 AM PST by mcg1969
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