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Please note: I have some prior engagements to tend to, so I will probably not be able to respond to any posts until later this evening or tomorrow afternoon.
1 posted on 02/13/2005 3:07:54 PM PST by conservative_crusader
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To: conservative_crusader
I too am a Christian, who believes that EVERYTHING was created by God. However, I do not believe this is something you can prove through the use of physics or any scientific method which relies solely upon that which can be understood or explained by man. Why? because the physical realm was created from a higher plain of existence which is beyond our scope of observation... God is Spirit, and brought the physical into existence from the spiritual realm at the utterance of His Word. And, as God so frequently demonstrates in His word through miracles, the spiritual realm operates above the laws of physics and consistently defies man's understanding of the universe.


2 posted on 02/13/2005 3:42:20 PM PST by Safrguns (It's Bush's Fault I owe $7.00 to FR!!!)
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To: conservative_crusader
"2.) I am a Christian in practice."

Explain !!!

4 posted on 02/13/2005 7:32:04 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: joanie-f

Comments solicited, when you're able to.


5 posted on 02/13/2005 8:01:57 PM PST by Minuteman23
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To: conservative_crusader
Where do you get the idea that all elements decay into lead?
6 posted on 02/14/2005 2:20:20 PM PST by curiosity
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To: conservative_crusader

You lay it out right but scientists will quibble with the language..science does reject life being meaningless or time being infinite in the past, and accepts an origin.

but it thinks a first cause is beyond its study when it studies causes all the time..you've expressed the basic proof of first cause, what remains is to make that Cause personal.

#3: more possibilities?? right answer, that they are meaningless until stated and explained (& then they resolve to what's been said already)

#5: there does not neccesarily have to be a cause when the universe began. this is close to what stephen hawking says in any book.

the response is (see my homepage) either the origin is ordered or not. order arising from disorder is ridiculous on many counts. so the latent order of the universe is the first cause. (hint: latent order = immanence)

your response #6 not stated best but it echoes the correct response..similarly #7 maybe not lead but you said 'something like lead'

finally the philosophy arguments are where scientists retreat when their idolatry don't work


11 posted on 02/14/2005 5:31:34 PM PST by Tulsa ("let there be light" and bang it happened)
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