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The $15 million dollar border failure
Marine Inspector ^ | 02/11/2005 | Marine Inspector

Posted on 02/11/2005 12:32:47 AM PST by Marine Inspector

Last year, the Department of Homeland Security began testing Unmanned Aerial Vehicles along the Arizona / Mexico border as part of its $15 million dollar Arizona Border Control Initiative.

From June through September, The Bureau of Customs and Border Protection began testing 2 Israeli made Hermes 450 UAV’s, which cost 2 million dollars each.

During this 4-month evaluation, the UAV’s helped the Border Patrol apprehend 965 illegal entrants and about 850 pounds of marijuana.

During that same 4-month period, June, July, August and September, the Border Patrol apprehended approximately 360,000 illegal entrants.

The Tucson Sector of the Border Patrol apprehends approximately 43% of the total southwest border apprehensions . This would equate to approximately 154,800 illegal entrants apprehended by the Tucson Sector during the 4-month UAV testing period.

Hence, the 4 million dollar UAV’s accounted for less then 1% of the Sectors total apprehensions. I’m not expert, but that does not sound cost effective.

But wait, it gets worse.

According to Paul Olski, director of aviation joint planning and development in the Department of Homeland Security, the Hermes spotted 853,000 people crossing the border during the evaluation period.

Now let’s connect these dots and put this information into perspective.

The UAV’s spotted 853,000 illegal entrants in the Tucson Sector, yet the Tucson Sector Border Patrol Agents only apprehended 154,800 of those illegal entrants.

Where did the other 698,200 illegal entrants go?

In a 4-month period, 698,200 illegal aliens made it into the United States, through Arizona alone and no one knows who they are, where they are or why they are here.

How many made it through the other 8 to 9 months? If the numbers stay the same, almost 2 million illegal aliens slipped through the Arizona / Mexico border

How many made it through California, New Mexico and Texas? No were talking another million or so. This is not fantasy; this is reality. This is what the Federal Government does not want you to know.

Some people want you to believe that no terrorists have crossed over the border with Mexico. How can anyone believe this? Does the Federal Government really expect me to believe an unskilled worker from Mexico or points south can sneak in undetected, but not a trained terrorist?

Simply incredible!


TOPICS: Government; Local News
KEYWORDS: alien; aliens; bordersecurity; illegal; immigration; immigrationstats
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To: idratherbepainting
"How can we tell tell the difference?? "

Mexican gardebers don't begin their journey in Syria, switch IDs in Europe, fly to Guadalajura, switch IDs again, buy a Lexus, and drive across the border at an international bridge.

41 posted on 02/11/2005 7:39:18 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Marine Inspector; guitfiddlist

What I do not understand, is how anyone in their right mind could sign on to a plan that would see a wave of people flood over this nation in numbers that would excede 10% of our present population in just ten years.

If the flood were representative of the world's population, I would at least find it a more rational endeavor. But the idea that Mexico should just wash over the U.S. like a tsunami, leaves me shaking my head. It just baffles the rational mind.

I don't care if it's French speaking Canadians, all Cubans, all Israelis, all Arabs, all individuals from the African continent, or just all Irish people, it would still be inadvisable.

What's so hard to comrehend when it comes to assimilation and productive or destructive immigration?


43 posted on 02/11/2005 9:27:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
What's so hard to comrehend when it comes to assimilation and productive or destructive immigration?

Beats me.

44 posted on 02/11/2005 9:34:28 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: DoughtyOne

I meant to add a paragraph to that, but hit the post button early.

Continuing...

It took our nation 229 years to reach 290,000,000 people. Through illegal immigration alone, we will add more than 10% to that total in the next ten years. We will also add ten million new immigrants on top of that through legal means. Add to these numbers the births that are generated by these people, and you'll be looking at between 45 and 60 million new U.S. residents in just ten years.

30 million criminal immigrants
10 million lawful immigrants
5 to 20 million births

In just ten years, we may add as much as 20% to our nation's population through massive immigration, the lion's share of which will be from a nation that doesn't speak our language, whose citizen's education is vastly inferior to our own, large portions of which think the southwest should revert to Mexico.

You'd almost have to be a self-loathing America hating America laster on the order of Ward Churchill, to buy off on this. Who the hell else would?


45 posted on 02/11/2005 9:39:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Marine Inspector; guitfiddlist

I meant to ping you both to post 45 also. SAT


46 posted on 02/11/2005 9:40:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Cultural Jihad

This is a glearing example of the failue of the president’s current border policy.

I'm sure he ment well, but it's still a failure.

Either he needs to stop making the immigration policy or fire those that do.


47 posted on 02/13/2005 8:43:25 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: dirtboy
Here is a great example of how effective the UAV's are.
48 posted on 02/21/2005 5:33:28 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
Here is a great example of how effective the UAV's are.

'xactly. The UAVs are spotting them. But we don't have the manpower to react.

49 posted on 02/21/2005 6:00:10 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: dirtboy
The UAVs are spotting them. But we don't have the manpower to react.

So it's not a cost effective program. The money should be spent on apprehending, not on spotting.

50 posted on 02/21/2005 6:09:28 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
So it's not a cost effective program. The money should be spent on apprehending, not on spotting.

It's spotting lots of folks. The shortage is with boots. IMO it makes the boots more effective. Your opinion may vary, especially since you, like, work with this stuff.

51 posted on 02/21/2005 6:11:01 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: dirtboy
< IMO it makes the boots more effective.

Apparently not, the boots only caught about 1,200 of the illegal aliens the UAV's spotted. That's about 1/3 of 1 percent of the total illegal apprehended during the testing period.

That's 4 million dollars for less than a 1% increase in apprehensions.

That 4 million could have hired 22 new agents who would have apprehended close to 3,600 illegals during the same period.

52 posted on 02/21/2005 6:46:00 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
That 4 million could have hired 22 new agents who would have apprehended close to 3,600 illegals during the same period.

Now, what if you coupled the UAVs with an increase in agents? That's the point I'm getting at.

53 posted on 02/21/2005 7:08:10 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: HiJinx; NewRomeTacitus; ConservativeMind; Leatherneck_MT; junta; FITZ; spectre; DoughtyOne; FBD; ...
Reader views: Illegals invade country using Mexican border

Information released by the Border Patrol recently indicated that 852,000 illegal aliens were spotted by unmanned drones crossing into Arizona from Mexico during a recent three-month period.

This is equal to 3,400,000 illegal aliens per year coming to Arizona alone from Mexico -- a mind-numbing figure.

Breaking this down into more easily understood numbers: This is 9,315 illegal aliens per day, 26.6 illegal aliens per mile of our 350-mile border with Mexico or one illegal alien every 198 feet -- each and every day.

If this is not an invasion, then I do not know what is.

Justin Salem, M.D., Pima

54 posted on 02/27/2005 5:46:59 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector; guitfiddlist

Haven't you read about the western hemispheric economic zone?

In order to harmonize the economy of the US with the rest of the hemisphere, and to ensure the free flow of labor into the US, several trade agreements have been ratified. They include NAFTA, CAFTA and this year the FTAA. If you read the agreements you will see that the trade representative appointed by the white house has the ability to negotiate with foreign countries to allow the movement of goods and labor vis a vis "free trade".

Some South American countries get half their GDP from remittances from legal and illegal workers sent back to their home countries. To create the "free trade" in the western hemisphere the US must capitulate to the labor directives defined by these countries, or they will not sign on.


55 posted on 02/27/2005 5:54:32 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Marine Inspector
Breaking this down into more easily understood numbers: This is 9,315 illegal aliens per day, 26.6 illegal aliens per mile of our 350-mile border with Mexico or one illegal alien every 198 feet -- each and every day.

If this is not an invasion, then I do not know what is.

Yeah, WHAT INVASION!!

Good thing the President is taking it so seriously.

56 posted on 02/27/2005 6:44:17 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Marine Inspector; F16Fighter
Pictures are worth a thousand words...

Infrared night pictures of invasion through Coronado National Forest


Naco, Az

57 posted on 02/27/2005 8:26:25 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: FBD; Mr. Mojo
Incredibly mind-numbing pics, FBD. Like ants at a picnic in the park.

The Bush Administration is happy to ignore it, and the chance that just ONE of these invaders may be Islamo-terrorist.

58 posted on 02/27/2005 8:44:28 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
Quite a procession, isn't it? And considering that thousands of OTMs are apprehended at the border yearly (many from Islamic countries), the chances that terrorists are among the them is quite high.

Third World, here we come.

59 posted on 02/27/2005 9:26:30 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: F16Fighter

It can't be all about vote pandering...

I wonder if it's being allowed as a safety valve for Mexico. If the border was secured, some say Mexico would collapse into total chaos from lack of employment. A revolt against the govt, possibly...
What do you think?


60 posted on 02/27/2005 9:31:41 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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