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The $15 million dollar border failure
Marine Inspector ^ | 02/11/2005 | Marine Inspector

Posted on 02/11/2005 12:32:47 AM PST by Marine Inspector

Last year, the Department of Homeland Security began testing Unmanned Aerial Vehicles along the Arizona / Mexico border as part of its $15 million dollar Arizona Border Control Initiative.

From June through September, The Bureau of Customs and Border Protection began testing 2 Israeli made Hermes 450 UAV’s, which cost 2 million dollars each.

During this 4-month evaluation, the UAV’s helped the Border Patrol apprehend 965 illegal entrants and about 850 pounds of marijuana.

During that same 4-month period, June, July, August and September, the Border Patrol apprehended approximately 360,000 illegal entrants.

The Tucson Sector of the Border Patrol apprehends approximately 43% of the total southwest border apprehensions . This would equate to approximately 154,800 illegal entrants apprehended by the Tucson Sector during the 4-month UAV testing period.

Hence, the 4 million dollar UAV’s accounted for less then 1% of the Sectors total apprehensions. I’m not expert, but that does not sound cost effective.

But wait, it gets worse.

According to Paul Olski, director of aviation joint planning and development in the Department of Homeland Security, the Hermes spotted 853,000 people crossing the border during the evaluation period.

Now let’s connect these dots and put this information into perspective.

The UAV’s spotted 853,000 illegal entrants in the Tucson Sector, yet the Tucson Sector Border Patrol Agents only apprehended 154,800 of those illegal entrants.

Where did the other 698,200 illegal entrants go?

In a 4-month period, 698,200 illegal aliens made it into the United States, through Arizona alone and no one knows who they are, where they are or why they are here.

How many made it through the other 8 to 9 months? If the numbers stay the same, almost 2 million illegal aliens slipped through the Arizona / Mexico border

How many made it through California, New Mexico and Texas? No were talking another million or so. This is not fantasy; this is reality. This is what the Federal Government does not want you to know.

Some people want you to believe that no terrorists have crossed over the border with Mexico. How can anyone believe this? Does the Federal Government really expect me to believe an unskilled worker from Mexico or points south can sneak in undetected, but not a trained terrorist?

Simply incredible!


TOPICS: Government; Local News
KEYWORDS: alien; aliens; bordersecurity; illegal; immigration; immigrationstats
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To: DoughtyOne

This just proves what I've been saying for years. The BP apprehends approximately 10 to 15 percent. Well below the 60%+ they claim.


21 posted on 02/11/2005 10:01:52 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: FBD

Your Welcome.


22 posted on 02/11/2005 10:02:05 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
"Some people want you to believe that no terrorists have crossed over the border with Mexico. How can anyone believe this? Does the Federal Government really expect me to believe an unskilled worker from Mexico or points south can sneak in undetected, but not a trained terrorist?"

It's mind-blowing.

Thanks for your committment to exposing the mockery of the Bush Administration's "committment to National Security."

Hitlery Clinton couldn't do a worse job.

23 posted on 02/11/2005 10:02:43 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: usurper

I agree, manned aircraft are the way to go, unless you want to hire another 10,000 Agents to apprehend to the illegals the UAV's spot.


24 posted on 02/11/2005 10:03:51 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: LNewman

Your welcome.


25 posted on 02/11/2005 10:04:09 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Spiff
I think the figure is right on.

It confirms everything I've heard from the Agents for the past 7 years.

I don't think Olski was expecting someone to release the number of aliens the BP caught due to the UAV's. If any number is incorrect, it would be the number of illegals the UAV's helped apprehend. Even I think that's low.
26 posted on 02/11/2005 10:09:02 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: F16Fighter

As bad as Bush is, I'd rather have him at the helm, then Hitlary.


27 posted on 02/11/2005 10:10:11 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector

Bump.


28 posted on 02/11/2005 11:53:37 AM PST by TBP
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To: Marine Inspector
And that's been my premise too. This was a very important issue with George Putnam. He would occasionally have someone on from the INS, or at least make reports of what he was hearing via underground. Traditionally, 10-15% has been the figure most often tossed around by those in the know. You pretty much confirm this.

When I saw the 9 month report from last year, I realized we were in a whole new ballgame, with regard to the massive problem we face.

From a little over 100,000 per year, we have now progressed through 500,000, 1 million and now three million.

We cannot wait to face this when it's ten million per year. We need to face this now.

I appreciate your contributions to this topic. I realize the frustration you must feel, wanting to do a job with hobbles on.

Take care. Protect your own viability, on the job. It's nice to have someone who knows what they are talking about. There's so much being offered up by those who don't.
29 posted on 02/11/2005 12:14:03 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Marine Inspector
This just proves what I've been saying for years. The BP apprehends approximately 10 to 15 percent. Well below the 60%+ they claim.

>Actually the claim is valid, here’s how it works. I’m no math major.

First day, 100 enter and 60% are apprehended =60

Second day, the previous 60 reenter and 60% are apprehended=24

Third day, the previous 24 reenter and 60% are apprehended=9

Day four, the unlucky four reenter and 60% are apprehended=3

Day five, 3 reenter and 60% are apprehended=1

Day six, the last guy says screw it and goes home. The other 99 are history.

30 posted on 02/11/2005 1:09:32 PM PST by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: Marine Inspector
Since you work for CBP you should know that stopping Mexican gerdeners from jumping the border is not the priority mission of VBP, although it may be your personal priority. Their first priority is stopping terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. That means spending more money on activities specfically designed to target terrorists and weapons instead of activities designed to stop gerdeners. As Boner said the other day:

"The FY 2006 budget allows CBP to fulfill its priority mission of preventing terrorists and terrorist weapons from entering the U.S., while simultaneously facilitating the flow of people and trade across our borders.

"The FY 2006 budget also provides the necessary resources to ensure that CBP continues to fulfill its traditional missions that include: combating the flow of illegal drugs and other contraband, protecting our agricultural and economic interests from harmful pests and diseases, collecting import duties, and enforcing U.S. trade laws.

" So while you prefer to add more guards to patrol the border and catch more gardeners, the CBP prefers to spend the money targeting terrorists, such as adding more undercover agents in Mexican cities where terrorists would go to contact coyotes.

31 posted on 02/11/2005 2:30:01 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Marine Inspector

I support a lot of what you say, but I had no idea you were actually stopping "gerdeners". I promise you, the illegal gerdeners are going to hear about this!


32 posted on 02/11/2005 4:49:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Marine Inspector

I must admit, it is interesting to read all the posts from people who 'do not' support open borders. I know I'm convinced.

1. They support new ideas to slow the flow of illegals.
2. They are always cordial with others who are conserned about three million coming acros the border undocumented each year.
3. They congratulate those who have been at this for a long time.
4. They never suggest that criminality is okay.
5. They never challenge portions of the U.S. Constitution that prescribe that the federal government "Shall" protect the states from invasion.
6. The admit that 3 million a year is actually an invasion.

I could go on, but I just wanted to point out how happy I am that nobody on this forum is for open borders. It's so comforting.

Still, I am trying to figure out who it is I keep getting challenged by, if not for some people who sound an awful like people who support what the illegals are doing, and refuse to admit the U.S. has the right to set regualtions regarding who will enter the nation, if that challenges illegal behavior at all.


33 posted on 02/11/2005 4:55:41 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I'm not worried about the ones we stop; I’m worried about the ones we don't stop.

And like I said in the original post, there is some that believe a trained terrorist can't sneak in, but a grander can.

Their arguments are as weak as their intelligence.


34 posted on 02/11/2005 5:34:24 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: DoughtyOne
Still, I am trying to figure out who it is I keep getting challenged by, if not for some people who sound an awful like people who support what the illegals are doing, and refuse to admit the U.S. has the right to set regualtions regarding who will enter the nation, if that challenges illegal behavior at all.

I hear you.

35 posted on 02/11/2005 5:36:35 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
The President does not care, the Senate does not care, the majority of the House does not care and the courts don't care.

Not only that, but even many Freepers here think that free-for-all illegal immigration is a good thing. And if even WE can't get our thinking on this right (pun intended), this will continue until a fait accomplis third world demographic transformation is upon us.

Is there a master plan at the Bush administration that I'm not aware of? I can't for the life of me figure this one out. I believe in the guy, but can't imagine where he thinks this is going to end up.

36 posted on 02/11/2005 5:47:25 PM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: guitfiddlist
Is there a master plan at the Bush administration that I'm not aware of? I can't for the life of me figure this one out.

Like you, I can't figure it out either.

37 posted on 02/11/2005 5:52:22 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
My understanding is an "employer-friendly" database enabling them to identify eligible workers would be in place by December of last year but haven't heard a peep more about it. Would you know if that is the reality?

At some point I would like to ask, at least service industry admins, if they take advantage of this resource.

38 posted on 02/11/2005 7:02:18 PM PST by LNewman
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To: idratherbepainting

Bayou doesn't have answers ... it's an agenda.


40 posted on 02/11/2005 7:31:28 PM PST by LNewman
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