Posted on 01/24/2005 4:17:46 AM PST by velocityguy
"The heads of the family has been separated from their bodies (they have been beheaded) at their home at Jersey" The message below has appeared in Arabic on a Muslim bulletin board. (Thanks to Kemaste for the link, and Ali Sina for arranging for the translation.)
In The Name Of Allah the Most Gracious The Most Merciful The Honourable Brothers/ Peace upon You
Under the title “Muslim-Christian boil over N.J”
The Associated Press wrote about the incidents that happened in the New Jersey of America after the Muslims killed a Christian American family from an Egyptian origin after an article wrote by the deceased on the internet that demonized Islam.
The heads of the family have been separated from their bodies (they have been beheaded) at their home at Jersey.
The father Hosam Armanosy 47 The mother Amal Qaras 37 Their daughters Silvia 15 and Monica 8
During the funeral yesterday the Christians carried banners that condemn the operation and demonize Islam which led to clashes between Christians and Muslims, estimated at 35 people by the police and the police separated between the two parties for fear of injuries.
Under the banner “Welcome Bin Laden” carried by a Christian, it praised Christians of more bloodshed at the hands of Bin Laden Supporters of Muslim Americans.
The good planting has started to yield thank Allah and soon, Allah willing, an intense Islamic revolution all across America that holds the right and bring down the falsehood that they’ve created.
“Bushie Bushie” you have no exit, you’re surrounded with the hatred that you’ve planted.
Allah, please, bring victory to Muslims on earth east and west oh your almighty and wisdom…amen.”
Plus a summary of reply messages:
The remaining messages support the slaughter, except for one that asked if the daughters deserved the same and was answered by the writer of the main message by saying that she was one of the worst on Pal Talk. Another reply said that they should wait for the head of Al-Azhar University in Cairo to say his word about the daughters (ironically after the massacre took place.
All this supports the idea, for which evidence is mounting (in complete contrast to published reports), that this was a religiously motivated crime.
However, it conflicts with other information that I have that I am unable to publish at this time -- information that also points to a religiously motivated crime, perpetrated by Muslims against Christians whom they believed had offended Islam. However, at this point extreme caution is essential. I think some important information should come to light very soon.
Ditto
One of the doctrines of Islam is to kill in the name of Islam.
Islam is the enemy and you need to open your eyes.
"Concerned" hell!
We invite it.
Ping!
that, I will wager, constitutes a very sophomoric read of the doctrine.
It can be argued that Christianity teaches the killing of unbelievers, but no Christian with any sense would call it Christian doctrine.
I've heard the Koran quotes that are usually cited to support the radical view, btw.
But, you can't punish people for their religious beliefs. You can punish them for murder. And that's what the rule of law provides for.
That I'd like to see.
So at what point do you believe what they say, and acknowledge you previously simply refused to believe it?
Clear thinking becomes much easier when you don't rely on cliches.
Thanks for the ping!
I'm sure there's a term for what you're doing here -- jumping to conclusions, let's say? A). Doesn't matter what I believe, the rule of just law prevails. B). A casual reading of the Old Testament could lead one to conclude that Judaism condones genocide. But it doesn't. The Third Reich used selective interpretations of Christian teaching to justify the Holocaust. Similarly, a selective reading of the Koran (come on now, have you really read the whole thing, in context, in the context of the teachings of its clergy? I didn't think so.) obviously leads to a similar conclusion. But I haven't read it, and refuse to read it selectively. So if it's a question of "refusing to believe," then what I refuse to believe is hearsay.
But it is abundantly clear that there is a radical element that interprets the Koran to suit their genocidal delusions. They are criminals and enemies.
Yes, and as far as I can tell there's NO segment of Islam acting very interested in condemning the "criminals and enemies". At BEST we hear deafening silence from the "moderate" wing of Islam; at worst we hear approval of these acts. Show me one time when an Islamic leader has unequivocally and forcefully denounced an act of "Jihad", and done so in a context *other* than defense of Islam.
I don't know where to begin! Your hubris is so overarching it's breathtaking. You seem to thing the rest of the world is an expansion on your own experience with different scenery and language.
First, what in the hell is "the rule of just law?" You're pulling things out of your imagination because you are too intellectually lazy to gather evidence to support your own presuppositions.
Second, please demonstrate the "selective interpretations of Christian teaching to justify the Holocaust." Mind you, a heresy is NOT a Christian interpretation and to posture it so is flagrant demagoguery. A casual reading of a cereal box could condone genocide by your "New York Times" standards.
Finally, who are you to accuse others of "jumping to conclusions?" You are a solipsist...just because you can't muster the initiative to read the Koran does not mean no one else has. Yes I have read many parts of the Koran, and in context, though introducing the term "context" shows your ignorance of how the Koran is structured; as does your use of the phrase "their clergy" though that one is a bit more understandable. One does not need to read any book cover to cover in order to get the sense of it, and only a pettifogger would try to make the case that one should.
Furthermore, I'd wager you haven't even read a *single* book *about* islam. Do you even know the name of the most respected western scholar on islam? Have you read anything from the numerous investigative journalists to publish books about the war on terror, Wahabiism, the Palestinian conflict, or Islamic teaching in the last four years? I have.
Why are you expressing an opinion here? You lack the background to even HAVE an opinion.
I'm speaking for myself. If that's a problem for you, that is your problem. so long.
It is time this cancer was resected.
Thanks for the ping!
Ouch....that must of hurt.
Profession of belief in Islam constitutes at worst conspiracy to commit murder and at best conspiracy to serve as an accessory before or after the fact. And it's time that law enforcement and border enforcement got serious about that.
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