Iraq is a honeypot. The whole *idea* is for terrorists to go there to be killed by our fully deployed, professional military over there, rather than having them trickle into the U.S. for weekly suicide bombings at your neighborhood McDonald's.
Posted on 01/17/2005 10:35:58 AM PST by Jon Alvarez
I do not ask such personal questions of you or anyone else. I prefer to keep on the subject matter. Rest assured that I did indeed do my turn in the military as did most of us here on FR.
I cannot understand why such information would be of interest to anyone. I have no interest if others served, when or where, etc etc.
now troops will be hesitant in the field...
TIME OUT!
Pull your bus off of the Pretentiousness Turnpike.
Graner was a REMF. Do you know what a REMF is, REMF?
I wonder if these folks who are so critical of an American soldier would take issue with executing a terrorist on the spot when caught in the act?
No. But this wasn't that, and you know it.
Sadly, I see this becoming a "pc" war...new liberal mantra: "have you hugged a terrorist today?" LOL
"Have you hugged a thug today?"
I cannot understand why such information would be of interest to anyone. I have no interest if others served, when or where, etc etc.
Then I would suggest you not make these kinds of challenges to someone who is a vet:
If you read your post 38, it is a reflection of your original post, talking about something you have zero knowledge of.
Sitting in your easy chair and directing a war thousands of miles away indeed must be stressful. My view is that if you are not there and had nothing to do with the affair, dont second guess those that are there. Very easy to condemn others as you and others have done. Having served in the military means nothing when you rant on and on with no facts to substantiate your diatribe.
Service? Most likely before you were born so that childish characterization will not wash either. Turn your venom towards the enemy, not towards someone that is there while you sit at home.
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Or say something like this:
You do the military a great disservice. Personally I saw many in the military that were carbon copies of you. That type are always there and have to be tolerated.
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If you are not willing to provide at least a thumbnail of your service, you ain't in any position to say this kind of stuff to a vet who is, quite frankly.
Iraq is a honeypot. The whole *idea* is for terrorists to go there to be killed by our fully deployed, professional military over there, rather than having them trickle into the U.S. for weekly suicide bombings at your neighborhood McDonald's.
There are a lot of people like that on our Free Republic, unfortunately. They make sweeping pronouncements about war and military requirements but they're a little short on the actual experience. People like cynicom make up for it by ad hominum attacks - while saying that our armed forces should be some part criminals!
How is that any different than the smearing of our fighting men as "war criminals" that John Kerry did in 1971?
Armies are not made up of choir boys. It takes all kinds, from criminals to saints. You seem intelligent enough to be able to place yourself somewhere between the two. Via your posts you have already shown the rest of us where you belong between the two. Have a good day...
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The above deserves the bunny-with-a-pancake-on-it's-head response.
I wouldn't go that nearly far. Both you and cynicom have points. You are correct that Graner did wrong under the UCMJ. Cynicom is correct in that the sentence probably reflects political considerations, not just the situation on the ground as it happened.
We don't need to have folks flaming each other so hard over what, at the end of the day, are differences in interpretation.
Not too much can be added to what you said but the highest
standard Graner erected was when he was in the sack with
Lindy, his accomplice.
Pretty fundamental difference in interpretation! Cynicom and the guy that started this thread seem to believe that Graner and his fellow criminals should be let off - and cynicom continues with his pronouncements that we have criminals in our ranks. I don't know what branch of service, if any, cynicom served in but criminals in the Marine Corps were and are dealt with immediately. The sense of honor, that living to a higher standard of duty, is the main reasons I stayed with the Marine Corps for 27 active years of service.
A war is fought on several fronts and one of those fronts is earning the trust of the people that you're fighting to free. If the American people allow the Graners and their supporters to determine the direction, we will have lost this war and a lot more as time progresses. We have a choice: we either fight as people with a mission to free other people, or we fight as thugs and earn the disgust of the world.
Don't claim to be a "conservative" if you think that Graner and his people's actions should condoned.
In post 60, cynicom said this:
You see anywhere that I suggested he was innocent??? Heavens no. Court martial the man, six months imprisonment and BCD.
So cynicom seems to objecting to the sentence, not the conviction.
In post 60, cynicom said this:
You see anywhere that I suggested he was innocent??? Heavens no. Court martial the man, six months imprisonment and BCD.
So cynicom seems to objecting to the sentence, not the conviction.
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