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Did you lie to your kids at Christmas?
The Conservative Citizen Weblog ^ | 12/29/2004 | David M. Huntwork

Posted on 12/29/2004 3:22:34 PM PST by TheConservativeCitizen

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To: sandbar
I was told when you stop believing in Santa, he stops coming. I was 29 years old the last Christmas I had with my mother and still got presents from "Santa". I continue this with my children. My oldest has an idea, but plays along for fun.

This is also how it has always been in our house. If we didn't want to believe, we were free to. I still believe... ;~D

41 posted on 12/29/2004 8:53:06 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

No, because sometimes I believe in Santa Claus too.


42 posted on 12/29/2004 8:56:05 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse."-Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: BibChr

Man, it must be a real joy to live in your house.

/sarcasm


43 posted on 12/29/2004 8:59:35 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Tax-chick
Babies come from God :-).

What I wonder is, if children are young enough to not know where babies come from... how do parents explain the distinction of the virgin birth? I don't honestly recall at what age this became apparent to me.

44 posted on 12/29/2004 9:13:13 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Boy, can you imagine if I had the audacity to question the tooth fairy or the existence of the jolly green giant? All hell might of broken loose. Relax people. Santa really is 'just pretend'. I know that is a hard pill to swallow. Maybe no one actually got to the part where I talk about the trips to the mall Santa and the tooth fairy pillows. One can have fun with the character of Santa without having to spin some attempting to convince your children with fantastic yarns about how he and his eight tiny reindeer will undoubtedly be making a landing on the roof Christmas Eve. I do enjoy the discussion though. (:

Fight on Free Republic!


45 posted on 12/29/2004 9:57:50 PM PST by TheConservativeCitizen (The truth shall set you free....)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

I'm not really sure what distinction you are trying to make here. You came out pretty strongly in your initial post. Santa is a universal truth pounded into kids heads. Children are forever scarred by the ultimate revelation of the truth. Parents are branded as liars, and not to be trusted. Then in this post you backpedal saying it's OK to pretend about Santa.

IMHO, a child under 5 or so is not ready to understand the details of God except that God is: good, love, the creator, etc. Also, that there are a whole lot of people involved in the God thing because because my son sees them in church every week. Before we can start working with semantics, we need to have a syntax.

A child has no understanding of eternity, a soul or death. From my own experience, that last one is probably the most troubling realization every child will face. Am I lieing to my son in that I haven't told him that everyone eventually dies? I found out on Christmas Eve, that our cat is on her way out. Was I lieing when I didn't immediately pass on this news?

To me there is lieing and then there is selective revelation of the truth commensurate to the ability to understand. True understanding comes from within. I am only a guide.


46 posted on 12/30/2004 4:19:03 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Connecticut - The Construction State)
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To: HairOfTheDog
how do parents explain the distinction of the virgin birth?

Only my oldest (13) knows the details of conception. For the others, it's been sufficient to say that God was the Father of Jesus, and that St. Joseph was not His father physically. I think just about every child knows someone who has a stepfather, or is adopted, so the understand the difference.

If a child hears "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the Child to be born will be called Holy, the Son of God." over and over and over, he can assimilate the fact that there's something unique about the origins of Jesus, without knowing how ordinary babies are conceived.

47 posted on 12/30/2004 4:34:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: unbalanced but fair

You don't want a conversation, that's your affair.

Dan


48 posted on 12/30/2004 5:33:02 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Conservative til I die
Man, it must be a real joy to live in your house.

/sarcasm

Oh, I know! Isn't that just an awful picture? Think of it -- parents who've proven that they don't have to LIE to their children for the kids to have fun! A whole month of celebrating the glorious truth of Christ's birth, with family traditions, games, activities, trips, gifts, laughter, songs, prayers, readings, worship -- and not even ONE lie!

What kind of living, screaming Hell must that be for a child?!! Someone should call CPS!

/ contempt for a culture of lies — and so-called conservatives who embrace it

Dan
To Tell the Truth, Virginia...

49 posted on 12/30/2004 5:38:13 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
1. I agree with the article. I don't ever remember believing in Santa Claus as a child, and it is metaphysically impossible for a child to enjoy Christmas more than I did.

2. I disagree with the article. Having become an adult, I now wholeheartedly believe in Santa Claus.

My son is 6. He believes in Santa Claus because of the culture around him. I won't encourage it because Santa is not an important part of Christmas; I don't discourage it because it is not an error. If he asks me if he exists, I will say "yes". If he asks me if he is coming down the chimney this year, I'll say "Let's sleep by the fire and see if he does or not."

And that, friends, is truth-telling.

50 posted on 12/30/2004 5:47:35 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Let me guess Mr. Huntwork's middle name. Could it be,,, Stick in the mud?


51 posted on 12/30/2004 5:54:58 AM PST by BigWaveBetty (2005 will be a very good year.)
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To: BibChr

You're the one who chose not to answer my simple questions in post #32. I simply stated I didn't want to debate. I was just curious as to what you would do in those situations. Instead of giving advice or answering, you assumed to know what I thought and your reply was arrogant. Perhaps I would have agreed with you, but now you'll never know. You ended the conversation and now I truly do.


52 posted on 12/30/2004 7:42:08 AM PST by unbalanced but fair
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To: unbalanced but fair

All because I asked you to do a little thinking, instead of responding to a setup. Conservatives are supposed to believe in work. Sad. Whatever.

Dan


53 posted on 12/30/2004 7:49:25 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
Geez, I was worried the annual "I was scarred for life because my parents lied to me about Santa" thread was going to be forgotten this year.

Thanks for the laugh.

Completely at your expense.

54 posted on 12/30/2004 8:50:17 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Santa's not real? Who is this curmudgeon?

Somebody who never got a pony.

55 posted on 12/30/2004 9:35:07 AM PST by nina0113
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To: nina0113
Somebody who never got a pony.

That must be it. That's what scars you for life... Turns ya into a bitter person, seeking out people to scowl at and belittle for entertainment.

It sure as heck wasn't Santa Claus that does that to a guy.

56 posted on 12/30/2004 9:44:15 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

No, I point them towards happyness.


57 posted on 12/30/2004 9:45:16 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: HairOfTheDog; nina0113
It sure as heck wasn't Santa Claus that does that to a guy.

I think it is safe to say that anyone who feels so emotionally abused because his/her parents "lied" to him about Santa, has more "issues" than he/she is letting on.

58 posted on 12/30/2004 10:28:49 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: BibChr

Why don't you answer him? Answer: Because he cornered you.


59 posted on 12/30/2004 2:56:03 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
Are you serious? And you've been here since 2001?

Yikes. Where have you been?

Dan

60 posted on 12/30/2004 3:06:06 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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