Posted on 12/07/2004 9:50:30 PM PST by CaptIsaacDavis
Try reading conservative editorial line papers from the New York metro region, too. The NYPost just ripped him for the payday from Taser (for doing next to nothing) -- it's positively vicious compared to this tame piece. Elements of the conservative right in the mid-Atlantic and Northeast are skeptical, too.
That's something that jumped out at me, too. How reliable is the source on this? I'm unfamiliar with the New Republican
I haven't read the Post article yet .. I'll go search for it
I'm not sure what's causing this .. but the knives seem to be out for him
THe source URL is cited in the article. It's not the New Republican Archive. The piece just largely chronicled various stories you can get online.
Christopher Byron, "Bernie's Stunner," New York Post, Dec. 6, 2004, p.37. Curiously missing from the advertised free online version. It's already dumped into the archive.
Check out the line:"Mindful as we must now be to praise our Caesars."
Right. I got that. But somebody, somewhere, paraphrased those sources cited throughout the article and cut selected information (paragraphs) from the original articles. Apparently, but perhaps not, that was New Republican Archive. Without going in and reading each article cited to see what information wasn't included or what context may have been lost, I was asking if you knew anything about New Republican Archive. There's a pretty hard push from the Dems to make Kerik look bad, and I'm interested to know the agenda of a source I've never seen before.
For example, this appears to be the opinion of someone (as best as I can tell) unidentified from New Republican Archive. Is it your opinion that this is a credible source for information? Do you have much familiarity with them?
The Xian right
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= The Atheist right? ??
Can't you even type CHRISTIAN?
The Boy Scouts will be safe from homo terrorists!!
Now Bernard Kerik Had foreknowledge of 9-11? Pass the tin foil, I'm beginning to think I'm the one needing it.
The point is that it's not just the Dems. Where are you based? Around here (I follow NH, MA, and NYC papers with conservative editorial lines), there is a lot of skepticism about Giuliani and Kerik.
Archive...Republican focus...Other reports on the site are conservative and pro-Republican, and pro-liberty (but also not hesitant to bash ridiculous Liberal policies coming out of Washington). Some local MA-based coverage. The best one is the statistical study of correlations between SATs, GOP affiliation, and home valuations in MA -- it pays to own a home in a town with "republican values" is one positive comment. Showed that higher SAT scores are correlated to GOP affiliation.
Don't get confused by the MA connection. It's based in Acton -- the Northwest suburbs close to Rte.495 and westward. Consider the territory as having much in common with the conservative towns in New Hampshire (only a few towns North).
I understand the doubts about Giuiliani and want to scream when I hear Republicans touting him as a 2008 candidate, but he and Kerik both seem like acceptable candidates for Homeland Security chief. I would think that in NYC if you're going to have a political career you're going to cozy up to some folks that in a red state would probably be jailed. It seems to me that Kerik has made a pretty good life for someone who from the get-go wouldn't have gotten very good odds. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Kerik's all right for Homeland Security. If he wants to run for President or VP I'd give him another look - but I have no doubts that he would do everything he could to keep the citizens of the country safe from another 9/11, and isn't that what we want from Homeland Security?
That's "might" "uncertain accuracy" etc. You draw an inference that is not supported. It reads like the point was only that some curious actions were being taken just prior, and what it all means is not conjectured. So are you saying that Kerik -- the NYC Police Commissioner -- was certain to have been kept 100% out of the loop of even vague strategic threat assessments (like the Aug. 6 PDB) and chatter? If so, then you underestimate greatly just how important New York is in the nationwide operational management of counter-intelligence/counter-terror -- to the CIA and FBI (both with key staff in the city for those tasks prior to 9/11) as well as the role of the NYPD intelligence section (that's why the NYPD was the first non-Federal law enforcement agency in the nation to gain access to INTERPOL databases this past summer).
No one can quibble with the conclusion. It's how we get there that's the rub. He's untested/unclear in his attitudes towards open borders -- and he has played Liberal games, and comes from NYC. Isn't that what the battle in the House was all about? The verdict is out...so we'll see.
It's also a bit hard to stomach the huge payday he got from Taser for doing next to nothing for them, a company that some of the Street analyst commentary I've seen has indicated should seek more USG contracts (having been criticized by some for having a business that hasn't done as well as hoped securing such contracts).
I'm drawing an inference that's not supported?
So are you saying that Kerik -- the NYC Police Commissioner -- was certain to have been kept 100% out of the loop of even vague strategic threat assessments (like the Aug. 6 PDB) and chatter?
No I didn't say that. The article didn't say that either.The article says;
Pro-Israel. On an oddly-timed trip to Israel only a little more than a week before 9/11, he spoke on the subject of terrorism with Public Security Minister Uzi Landau and Police Chief Shlomo Aharonishki and sought to, in Kerik’s words reported publicly:"demonstrate my deep solidarity with the State of Israel." (http://www.ourjerusalem.com/news/story/news20010902.html). The trip was "oddly-timed" because sometime that summer it was hurriedly pushed up to around Labor Day after originally being scheduled for early October (which might have significance in light of various reports of uncertain accuracy about an Israeli warning about the looming attack and/or activities just before 9/11 in the city’s emergency command center in WTC Tower 7 [movements of equipment in particular]).
If the writer of the article meant to imply that Mr.Kerik learned of a threat through regular channels and just happened to visit Israel earlier that year he failed miserably, because I just don't see that there. What I see there is a thinly veiled Zionist conspiracy theory expanded to include Bernard Kerik.
Pure fantasy...Just because Kerik was visiting Israel doesn't imply squat about "conspiracies." We cooperate all the time, and he was NYC Police Commissioner at that critical moment in history. Sharing intel is not "conspiracy." There is a story out that Egypt warned us. So just by saying that I'm advancing an Egyptian conspiracy theory?
There is a reasonable middle ground that is worth exploring. The "inference" implied that even suggesting Kerik had strategic warning -- even though the White House admits that at least hundreds of key government officials knew something was up (Aug. 6 PDB, all the FBI and CIA chatter and efforts, etc.) -- was itself tantamount to advancing some anti-Zionist "conspiracy" theory. In fact, the "black and white" alternative to that train of thought is that Kerik was kept out of the loop (the illogic holding that he must be to prevent even discussing "Zionist conspiracy" crap) is more problematic since one would have expected the chiefs in DC and NYC to be kept abreast of even NON-SPECIFIC strategic warnings. The truth is not always black and white.
Except that the trip, the aledged "odd timing" of the trip and the basis of the conspiracy theory are all in the same paragraph. If it was not meant to be linked togather, they shouldn't have been in the same paragraph.
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