Posted on 11/24/2004 6:43:19 AM PST by PJ-Comix
From my lofty perch here in the 5th Dimension, peering down at the DUmmie mortals in your dimension, I am noticing a waning interest in DUmmieland over trying to overturn the election results. Perhaps one reason is that the Ohio Provision Ballot Vote Count has shown Bush maintaining his substantial lead over Kerry. Another reason is that a number of the slightly more rational DUmmies are beginning to suspect that much of this election fraud scam is being hyped up by Bev Harris in order to line her pockets with greenbacks sent in by desperate DUmmies seeking desperately for a way out of a second Bush term. It is amazing to see Bev Harris threatening to sue DUmmies for (GASP! SHOCK!) typing the words “Cleanup Crew” or the letters “BBV” on their keyboards. But a con artist knows how to stretch out the scam. And in Bev’s case it has to do with AMAZING REVELATIONS to come in the “Election Fraud Scandal.” Yes, she strung the Dummies along for a few days with a promise of a BIG REVELATION about vote fraud in Volusia County, FL to be revealed to the suckers on Nov. 23. And so what was the BIG REVELATION? Well, hold your breath, and read all about it here in this edition of the DUmmie FUnnies which features this DUmmie THREAD desperately titled, “BEV! BBV!! WHAT IS GOING ON???” As usual, the postings of the DUmmie suckers, easily parted from their money, are in Bolshevik Red while the comments of your humble correspondent, watching the latest chapter in the BBV scam with much amusement, are in the [brackets]:
BEV! BBV!! WHAT IS GOING ON???
[YOU ARE BEING PLAYED FOR SUCKERS! SEND MONEY!--- BEV.]
Anyone have any clue as to what we can expect this "big development" to be? I don't see it on Blackboxvoting.org ?
[I can’t blame you for not seeing it. The promised SHOCKING REVELATION for which DUmmie hearts were praying to overturn the election results turned out to be nothing but a some lawsuit filed in Volusia County. But please send in your money to Bev. There will be some real SHOCKING REVELATIONS in the future. But first you MUST send MONEY!]
I know they are challenging the election results in Volusia County...
[PROOF OF FRAUD RIGHT THERE!!! Kerry is as good as INAUGURATED this Jan. 20. Oh, and send MONEY.]
That's the big development. They filed suit in Volusia.
[I’m so excited that my diaper is soaking at the prospect. Send MONEY.]
She said something about them filing suit in Volusia County accusing the director of posting election day results that don't match the actual count (assumption to be made that there are more for the Shrub than should be)
[A filed lawsuit means that the election results WILL be reversed in Florida. Send money.]
I think it's significant. Yes, we had a general statement from Bev that a quick glance over the numbers showed differences that seemed to favor Bush. But by now, Bev and friends have undoubtedly looked through all of the information carefully, and the good news is that they believe that what they found warrants a lawsuit.
[Plus another solicitation for funds.]
Bev was on CNN!
[Ooooh! And THAT proves election fraud. I get first crack at a dance with First Lady Teresa Heinz at the Jan. 20 Inauguration Ball.]
What's more likely is that we're going to have a long Thanksgiving weekend. People will be stuffed and sick of leftovers. Monday will come, and there will be something else to talk about...
[Shocking revelation of election fraud in Dixie County. Send funds!]
What's to look into--all CNN needs to do is show the video of Jeb's stooges putting out trashbags of original records (after giving Bev fakes) and the conclusion is obvious to anyone with half a brain. Which rules out the current White House occupant, of course.
[Trashbags! And they MUST contain election records! Case closed!]
HOW do YOU know that the GARBAGE wasn't just Garbage? Because someone told you that and you want to believe it so bad that you will..
[Garbage bags containing garbage? What an ABSURD concept!]
Do people REALLY want the media to mention that someone dug through garbage and "found" results? Don't you think that would make the whole movement look wacko or fringe?
[No problem there since the whole movement ALREADY looks wacko and fringe.]
Did SHE file a lawsuit? Nope. Can we get some Facts please instead of sheer PR?
[Of course Bev didn’t file the lawsuit. She needs to save her donated money to spend on important things like researching Vote Fraud from the harsh confines of plush hotel suites. And why am I suspecting deep skepticism in your above posts, DUmmie symbolman?]
But Symbolman left out the part where he forgot to solicit donations on the DU to cover travel expenses, meals, etc. to cover travelling all over the US to make the film and interview folks like Greg Palast, Danny Schechter, Jim Hightower, William Rivers Pitt, Janeane Garofalo, Theresa Lapore, all the candidates in New Hampshire, Avi Rubin, David Dill, Congressman Wexler, Cynthia McKinney, Kevin Shelley, Barbara Boxer, Don Siegelman, Larry Flynt, The Nation Magazine folks, Billionaires for Bush, League of Pissed Off Voters, disenfranchised felons, voters waiting in lines for 6 hours in Florida during election day... and many many others, plus take time to create many new animations... Oh, and Symbolman also left out the part where he forgot to threaten to sue the DU.
[GASP! Can there possibly be suspicious hints of con artistry by our Beloved Bev in Dummieland? And now let us hear from DUmmie symbolman again…]
…I don't want ANYONE to discredit the hard work SO MANY are doing with looks like to me a lot of grandstanding and PR to sell their future film - (Is she going to sell a film and is filming all this for that reason, for personal gain? Is that what's being funded with these donations? I'd really like to know that.)
Digging through garbage that may or may not have any results or impact may make for great storytelling or filmmaking, but when the media gets hold of it, we will ALL be marginalized.
I think some people here are out of control and wishing so hard for ANYTHING to change the election that they have lost all reason.
How about releasing the tapes, papers, whatever so that EVERYONE, including those here can crunch them or is this the very lack of transparency we complain about in the BUsh administration.
Handwritten lists of Democratic Pollwatchers? So what? Isn't everything documented? I mean, what do you mean when you say that?
There's an awful lot of context missing here..
[Also missing there, symbolman, is much hint of any rationality although you have been, surprisingly for a DUmmie, lapsing into it for a bit.]
PING!
You forgot to add, "Send money!" ;-)
PING! And welcome aboard to the FASTEST GROWING Ping List on the FR, PINGee #341.
Jan 20 is going to be an exercise in comedy at the DUmp. I swear, this whole thing is like a friggin' Greek tragedy.
Only problem: it takes money to make money. Light bulb moment! "Hey, DUmmies, send me money and I'll expose something you've all been hoping is true. Check or money order, or try this PayPal link. Cash preferred, in unmarked bills. Put all your faith and hope in me, and I'll take care of things for ya. That's right. The mailing address is on my web page. Hurry! Offer ends at midnight on November 23, 2004! Oh, uh, yeah, uh, love ya, you're the greatest, blah blah blah. Remember, cash preferred!"
I have noticied a deep dark growing void at the DUmp today.
The recount is not going well and the infighting is drastically increasing.
These people are naive. They believe absolutely anything that fortifies their castle in the sky.
Some of them have destroyed their lives and relationships over this crap. Now they're WILLINGLY being conned.
I can't wait for the first one to accuse Bev Harris of being a "Bushette" or some such nonsense, sent to distract them while the clock runs out on their mission.
Yeah. Until viewing this DUmmie thread today, I underestimated Bev. I thought she was raising all that cash in order to do "research" at plush hotels. Instead she is using a lot of those donations in order to film a documentary about her "efforts" in order to make even MORE MONEY on a mockumentary about the "fraud." Maybe the mockumentary should be titled "How To Commit Fraud by Alleging Fraud."
Remember the saying from a famous preacher (don't remember his name).
IF MONEY IS A PROBLEM -- SEND ME YOUR PROBLEM !!!
Keep up the good work....
I need to set up a username at DU, and start building credibility, so that in 08 when they lose AGAIN, they'll send their money to ME to save them from the Evil Repukes.
The only flaw I see in this plan is if DU goes under - I hear they don't have many donors.
Bev has ARRIVED back in DUmmieland - there IS a Santa!
BevHarris (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-04 08:36 AM
Original message
UPDATE: Florida litigation on voting issues, from Black Box Voting
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 08:51 AM by BevHarris
There's a loophole that we'll need to get corrected in elections law, because it is blocking reasonable efforts to audit, confirm, or litigate elections in the U.S.
In most states, you can't request a recount or contest an election based on statistics. Even in Florida, where statistical evidence is permitted, the use of statistics is iffy in a court challenge. As soon as one expert sets it up, another can be counted upon to knock it down.
Recently, for example, attorney Lowell Finley came to Florida to pursue the option of contesting the Florida election. According to Florida law, contesting the Kerry election in Florida would require evidence that over 380,000 votes would be in doubt. Statistical evidence cited 260,000 votes in question -- but that study, the Berkeley study, is now being refuted by the Irvine study, and likelihood of prevailing in court on back-and-forth statistics is unlikely.
Even if that statistical information had been sufficient to prove 260,000 votes at risk, this would need to be supplemented by another 120,000 votes from other counties in the study. This kind of information could have been available, had counties complied with the Nov. 2 public records request filed by Black Box Voting. Unfortunately, most counties did not comply in a timely manner, and many refused to provide the information at all.
The audit data we obtained in Volusia County is another matter. Here, we have established plenty of evidence sufficient to take an election into contest. Volusia County, by itself, may have put some 30,000 presidential votes in question.
To get evidence comparable to what we have in Volusia County, basic audit diagnostics must be provided by the county in a timely manner. (To view the audit diagnostics we sent to every county in the country on Nov. 2, just after the polls closed, go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org and scroll down to an article titled "Are we insane? Voting without auditing?")
Now, here's the problem: All of the largest Florida counties stalled the records request past the filing deadlines. Some did it skillfully, by being out of the office, saying they didn't receive it, saying people were out of town...some did it clumsily, telling us to go jump in the lake.
The bottom line is: Most votes in Florida, and nearly all votes in Ohio, could not be audited because the secretary of state (Ohio) or the key county officials (Florida) would not part with the basic public information needed to launch a proper audit. While we will get the records, we will not get them in a timely manner.
This needs to be changed. Black Box Voting is in the process of setting up voting machine citizen audit protocols, and we plan to launch a major national citizen education effort to show people how to do both diagnostic audits and fraud audits using the public records tools available to all of us.
National elections cannot be compromised very easily without problematic local officials. A true cleanup is going to have to take place county by county, and we will need all of you to do it.
I know we have been slow to put some of our volunteers to work on real auditing. That is because, if you don't know exactly what you're doing, you'll get your butt kicked.
A citizen audit group is now working on Holmes County, Florida, and of course Volusia is in full swing (I'm about to do another post on the lawsuit filed yesterday requesting that the Volusia County election be set aside).
This is a problem that can be solved, but we need more teeth in legislation to require counties to produce audit materials immediately after elections, so that citizens groups can have at least 7 days to analyze the information and follow up on discrepancies and ommissions. Right now, elections officials can stonewall and there are no consequences, if they do it skillfully.
(For those who do it unskillfully, stay tuned. We aren't done with 'em.)
For those of you waiting on Ohio, it is certainly frustrating. Kenneth Blackwell is certainly the 2004 equivalent of Katherine Harris. He has set a state policy of obstructiveness, making it almost impossible to get the kind of information needed to prove the counting was correct.
Doing the auditing correctly, especially in coordination with local citizens groups, can produce fireworks. Volusia County now has its hands full.
Bev Harris
tee hee... funny!
PING!
Bev Harris
"Oh, and SEND MONEY!"
Could you post here the LINK to that DUmmie thread? I would be curious to see the level of skepticism arising there over Bev doing her smoke and mirrors routine and accomplishing exactly NOTHING.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2746037
The Kool-Aid is dribbling down their pimply DUmmie chins.
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