Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike
The Muslim religion preaches the extreme and death to those who do not believe in it. Jihadists are following their religion. They are the greatest threat to the security of the world and therefore they should be kept out of our country and confined to their own, where they can preach what they want and live in the dark ages if they so choose.
They are not a threat because they don't live in democracies, they are a threat becasue of what they believe. Read their "holy" book and see for yourself.
There are hundreds of mosques right here in the USA and millions of muslims, many of whom call themselves Americans. Yet their silence is deafening. Which one can I trust? I have not heard or seen a single one of them speak out against the disregard for human life or the violence that you say is "not the average Muslim."
What and who is the "average Muslim"? Is it one that doesn't commit the violence himself but condones it, finances it and does nothing to prevent it or won't even raise his voice against it? Who are these "moderate and average" Muslims of which you speak and where do they live? Why don't you tell me that? Or should I just wait for the next act of murder and the repetition of silence from the bretheren of those that commit it?
You see I don't care what they "believe" but I do care what they do in my country. As long as they stay in their own country I don't care how they live. I would like to see us stay out of their countries and stop trying to tell them what to believe, how to live or what to do. However, the minute they come out of their lairs they make themselves fair game.
If they or you want me to believe that the "average Muslim" is a good guy that I should trust and give sanctuary in my house, then let the "average Muslims" come forward and let me hear their voice. Until they do, I am unable to tell the difference between this average guy you're talking about and the one that's just waiting for his chance to stab me or my brother in the back.
I'm not asking them to think like me or to believe what I believe and I really don't care if they read the Quran or the Bible. As long as they are a threat I don't want them in my house. It will take a lot of convincing on their part to get me to accept that they are not my enemy. That's their problem not mine. Until they are able to do it, I would like them to go home. I have neither the time or the desire to "convert" them to anything.
Can you name one country in history where islam has coexisted with citizens of other faiths. I believe the growth of islam is the death of america - all they need is time and every Christian and Jew will die, that is the goal of islam.
I see the outpatients are out in force tonight.
I'd certainly like to see someone pick this up and run with it....but I think its just rhetoric....with no resources behind it.
Perhaps it will get "Fuel" if and when the next US attack occurs....God Forbid
"A lot more are not native born, correct."
Beside the point. I don't actually know the percentages. This sort of broad proposal, out of ignorance, is doomed to fail.
Since U.S. Citizens cannot be deported, it's just a silly excercise in rhetoric. Jail the criminals. Leave the rest alone, unless they break the law.
"...The Muslims do not accept Christ as their Savior and the Son of God and will, therefore, perish...."
Until the Day of Judgment, however, they will continue to be a thorn in the side of western civilization and will need to be dealt with...in a manner such as deportation if they support Jihad.
Yeah, there's a lot of them in the NBA, not to mention the whole "Nation of Islam".
Sorry, not true..
From http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume2/ushistor.htm
"Thomas Jefferson created his own version of the gospels; he was uncomfortable with any reference to miracles, so with two copies of the New Testament, he cut and pasted them together, excising all references to miracles, from turning water to wine, to the resurrection.
There has certainly never been a shortage of boldness in the history of biblical scholarship during the past two centuries, but for sheer audacity Thomas Jefferson's two redactions of the Gospels stand out even in that company. It is still a bit overwhelming to contemplate the sangfroid exhibited by the third president of the United States as, razor in hand, he sat editing the Gospels during February 1804, on (as he himself says) "2. or 3. nights only at Washington, after getting thro' the evening task of reading the letters and papers of the day." He was apparently quite sure that he could tell what was genuine and what was not in the transmitted text of the New Testament...(Thomas Jefferson. The Jefferson Bible; Jefferson and his Contemporaries, an afterward by Jaroslav Pelikan, Boston: Beacon Press, 1989, p. 149. Click to go to a copy of The Jefferson Bible).
In his Notes on Virginia, Jefferson wrote:
The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury to my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. (Dumas Malon, Jefferson The President: First Term 1801-1805. Boston: Little Brown and Company, 1970, p. 191)
Thomas Paine was a pamphleteer whose manifestoes encouraged the faltering spirits of the country and aided materially in winning the War of Independence. But he was a Deist:
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. (Richard Emery Roberts, ed. "Excerpts from The Age of Reason". Selected Writings of Thomas Paine. New York: Everbody's Vacation Publishing Co., 1945, p. 362)
Regarding the New Testament, he wrote that:
I hold [it] to be fabulous and have shown [it] to be false...(Roberts, p. 375)
About the afterlife, he wrote:
I do not believe because a man and a woman make a child that it imposes on the Creator the unavoidable obligation of keeping the being so made in eternal existance hereafter. It is in His power to do so, or not to do so, and it is not in my power to decide which He will do. (Roberts, p. 375)
John Adams, the second U.S. President rejected the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and became a Unitarian. It was during Adams' presidency that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship with Tripoli, which states in Article XI that:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. (Charles I. Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements of the United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11: Philippines-United Arab Republic. Washington D.C.: Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072). ...
So you say that Jefferson, Paine, Adams were not Founding fathers?
you fell for the medias propaganda to portray the internment as racist. The media conveniently leaves out that the number of Germans and Italians interred was equal to the japanese number!!
The USA.
Islam is not a "race". It's a political cult, like Nazism.
"...He never spoke his native language and would not teach it to his kids. Why? Because he said he was in America now. This was his home, and this language was what he'd learn & teach his children..."
Concur, Smarti. It's like seeing a woman walking down the street covered in black from head to toe...except for two eye slits...that is repression of women, not religious freedom, and should not be permitted in America.
"That's a pretty narrow view don't you think?
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And a frightening view, as well. Who defines who is a Christian, in the first place. I've seen lots of writings here about "Christians" who are not REAL "Christians," simply because they aren't members of some mythical "evangelical" church.
As an atheist, I am very concerned with such attitudes. Fortunately, this will not occur, as much as the writer hopes it will.
until 2001
"...Can you name one country in history where islam has coexisted with citizens of other faiths. I believe the growth of islam is the death of america - all they need is time and every Christian and Jew will die, that is the goal of islam...."
Which is why it is government's repsonsibility to begin to address the seriousness of this threat. It is real.
IT wouldn't be a bad idea BUT in the U.S. we have freedom of religion.
And Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindus, and..........anyone else we don't like
Basic problem with the articles premise, they won't stay in their own country!
If your definition of Christian is belief in the divinity of Christ, you would have deported plenty of our Founding Fathers.
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