Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike
The Muslim religion preaches the extreme and death to those who do not believe in it. Jihadists are following their religion. They are the greatest threat to the security of the world and therefore they should be kept out of our country and confined to their own, where they can preach what they want and live in the dark ages if they so choose.
They are not a threat because they don't live in democracies, they are a threat becasue of what they believe. Read their "holy" book and see for yourself.
There are hundreds of mosques right here in the USA and millions of muslims, many of whom call themselves Americans. Yet their silence is deafening. Which one can I trust? I have not heard or seen a single one of them speak out against the disregard for human life or the violence that you say is "not the average Muslim."
What and who is the "average Muslim"? Is it one that doesn't commit the violence himself but condones it, finances it and does nothing to prevent it or won't even raise his voice against it? Who are these "moderate and average" Muslims of which you speak and where do they live? Why don't you tell me that? Or should I just wait for the next act of murder and the repetition of silence from the bretheren of those that commit it?
You see I don't care what they "believe" but I do care what they do in my country. As long as they stay in their own country I don't care how they live. I would like to see us stay out of their countries and stop trying to tell them what to believe, how to live or what to do. However, the minute they come out of their lairs they make themselves fair game.
If they or you want me to believe that the "average Muslim" is a good guy that I should trust and give sanctuary in my house, then let the "average Muslims" come forward and let me hear their voice. Until they do, I am unable to tell the difference between this average guy you're talking about and the one that's just waiting for his chance to stab me or my brother in the back.
I'm not asking them to think like me or to believe what I believe and I really don't care if they read the Quran or the Bible. As long as they are a threat I don't want them in my house. It will take a lot of convincing on their part to get me to accept that they are not my enemy. That's their problem not mine. Until they are able to do it, I would like them to go home. I have neither the time or the desire to "convert" them to anything.
" I hereby invite you to try and make me leave."
You'll be safe then. These "Christian nation" types are notorious for running their mouths and keyboards and never actually doing anything. In some extreme cases, they'll bravely wear white sheets on their heads to support their phony "Christian" causes.
"...We do not deport or jail people in this nation for their religious beliefs. The minute we start doing that, there is no USA any longer..."
I understand that. This isn't about legitimate religion. We deport them for their tacet support of Jihad - which is not so much a religious belief as it is a conspiracy to commit mass murder. That's the difference. Look, if your neighbor openly supports Jihad and flies the Islamic flag...are you going to wait until he takes action to protect your family? The support of Jihad is a key distinction. Get over the author's piece, it's admittedly over the top. But there are legitimate security issues raised in our fundamental misunderstanding and underestimating the threat of holy war declared against us.
"...expressing all this concern about some shadowy Islamic movement to take over the country...'
That's right because it's not some insignificant threat to be blown off. We play right into the hands of our enemies by diminishing the threat they pose. Again, what is it going to take to convince you that Jihad is the greatest current threat to western civilization and that we must answerit both within and without our borders?
"We deport them for their tacet support of Jihad "
Can we deport all Klan members and those who support them? How about all neo-Nazis? No doubt that Nazi ideals are a threat too! What about anti-Zionists?
I'd like to also deport all Georgia football fans. They are a threat to my sanity.
I know, beacuse we've all heard those stories about people flying the islamic flag, then killing their neighbors. Wake up people! If you see these flags, call birdstrike, he'll waddle away from his computer and rescue you!
"Pretty basic, but some are not hearing you"
Oh, they hear me. The main poster in this thread, birdstrike, is a recent member of Free Republic. Another poster has suggested that some people have come here from sites like stormfront.org to troll.
Now, I won't call this birdstrike a troll, but he's certainly not suggesting anything that is possible under our constitution. He's heard from many here who won't stand for this nonsense. We understand that ejecting one group because of their religion is just a beginning.
We won't make the mistake that other nations have made in targeting a group for their hatred. That's what the jihadists do. That's not what the United States of America does.
I cannot remember a thread where I read so many anti-American statements. I am disgusted.
You're right the article is juvenile, though perhaps not totally "flawed" in that I suspect it's designed to identify like-thinkers.
"Again, what is it going to take to convince you that Jihad is the greatest current threat to western civilization "
A. I dunno - some sort of action by the President that tightens our borders from illegal immigration, rather than the floodgate-opening legislation he's so dilgently signed?
B. Also, we'd better start calling back the Nat'l Guard troops from Iraq, as these deportation ideas require far more manpower than we currently have deployable.
C. Are you suggesting that the threat here at home is larger than that in Iraq? If so, you should be writing the Commander in Chief alerting him to this new threat! If you're correct, why are we wasting money and American lives in Iraq?
Don't be digusted. It is, truly, amusing. The fact that they are here means they can't be out, doing something, for real.
"Get over the author's piece, it's admittedly over the top. But there are legitimate security issues raised in our fundamental misunderstanding and underestimating the threat of holy war declared against us."
Bull-hockey. You're just backing down because you're seeing that you're getting nailed by people who understand how our Consitution protects us all.
Personally, I suspect that you've come here from some site like stormfront.org to troll here. I cannot prove that, but I suspect it.
You'll find it doesn't work. For every two people here who will parrot your words, there are ten who will tell you just how wrong you are.
If you want a discussion, post sensible threads. If you want an argument, you'll find that here too, but those arguing against you have their wits about them.
If you want to get tossed from FR, just go a little bit further than you did with this post today.
It's all up to you.
"I know, beacuse we've all heard those stories about people flying the islamic flag, then killing their neighbors. Wake up people! If you see these flags, call birdstrike, he'll waddle away from his computer and rescue you!"
LOL! Waddle! You have the same picture in your head that's in mine.
"Don't be digusted. It is, truly, amusing. The fact that they are here means they can't be out, doing something, for real."
That may well be true of the poster in question. It is not, however, true of others.
"...We understand that ejecting one group because of their religion is just a beginning....We won't make the mistake that other nations have made in targeting a group for their hatred. That's what the jihadists do. That's not what the United States of America does...I cannot remember a thread where I read so many anti-American statements. I am disgusted.
You're also pompous. If you want to disagree with the article, fine, go ahead and do so on its merits or lack thereof. But you are the one displayimg intolerance with your repeated attacks on me, the poster, and hearty concurrence with slinging insults at me for posting it.
I thought the premise was interesting and I defended parts of it as I'm a debater. Pull up the flightinfo.com website and do a search on Birdstrike. My posts are all there. There are degrees of "ejection" and we would do well to consider the author's points, that's all. Can that be dome without reference to white supremacy groups and all that? I've not mentioned any of that and that's not where I'm coming from in posting here. What's the fact that I'm a newbie have to do with anything? Don't you welcome fresh ideas here or only those that conform to FR group think?
I know the piece was over the top but deal with it rationally and point by point. You sound like a raving Deomocrat who apersonally attacks the poster over dealing effectively with the content of the post. Contrary to you're pronouncements, deportation remains a possible instrument of US policy. Likely? Hell no. But you don't have to be a John Bircher to consider that there may be some merits to parts of such a policy. That's all!
Heck, I'm a recent member(I've been a Lurker for a couple of years). If this is a troll invasion, it's certainly not any more controversial than some other threads.
Nothing like politics or religion to get a strong response/
If he is HERE to find like minded thinks then he is flawed.
Where the majority of America may have been ignoant of Jahid prior to 9/11/01 I do not believe that is the case today.
I also went back and read your post on the Genocide Treaty. I better understand your comment. Very well done. Please put me on that PING list.
Well, I did go over to that site, and found this in one post you made there. It's an excerpt, but makes it pretty clear where you stand:
This may get me in trouble but.....call a medic...that looks like a sucking chest wound!!!!!
"This may get me in trouble but.....call a medic...that looks like a sucking chest wound!!!!!"
It does, doesn't it. And the guy TOLD me to go there and read his posts. I'm not joining that chat forum to go searching for his stuff, but there that was, right in the thread.
Oh well...I was right.
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