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Time to Deport The Muslims?
Flightinfo.com Non-Aviation Related Chat Message Board ^ | 29 Nov 04 | Birdstrike

Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike

The Muslim religion preaches the extreme and death to those who do not believe in it. Jihadists are following their religion. They are the greatest threat to the security of the world and therefore they should be kept out of our country and confined to their own, where they can preach what they want and live in the dark ages if they so choose.

They are not a threat because they don't live in democracies, they are a threat becasue of what they believe. Read their "holy" book and see for yourself.

There are hundreds of mosques right here in the USA and millions of muslims, many of whom call themselves Americans. Yet their silence is deafening. Which one can I trust? I have not heard or seen a single one of them speak out against the disregard for human life or the violence that you say is "not the average Muslim."

What and who is the "average Muslim"? Is it one that doesn't commit the violence himself but condones it, finances it and does nothing to prevent it or won't even raise his voice against it? Who are these "moderate and average" Muslims of which you speak and where do they live? Why don't you tell me that? Or should I just wait for the next act of murder and the repetition of silence from the bretheren of those that commit it?

You see I don't care what they "believe" but I do care what they do in my country. As long as they stay in their own country I don't care how they live. I would like to see us stay out of their countries and stop trying to tell them what to believe, how to live or what to do. However, the minute they come out of their lairs they make themselves fair game.

If they or you want me to believe that the "average Muslim" is a good guy that I should trust and give sanctuary in my house, then let the "average Muslims" come forward and let me hear their voice. Until they do, I am unable to tell the difference between this average guy you're talking about and the one that's just waiting for his chance to stab me or my brother in the back.

I'm not asking them to think like me or to believe what I believe and I really don't care if they read the Quran or the Bible. As long as they are a threat I don't want them in my house. It will take a lot of convincing on their part to get me to accept that they are not my enemy. That's their problem not mine. Until they are able to do it, I would like them to go home. I have neither the time or the desire to "convert" them to anything.


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To: MineralMan
You cannot deport US Citizens, especially ones born here. It cannot be done, under our constitution. You can jail criminals, but they have to be criminals, meaning they have committed a criminal act.

Pretty basic, but some are not hearing you
221 posted on 11/22/2004 1:14:38 PM PST by 506trooper ( rough man standing ready to do violence on your behalf)
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To: Poohbah

" I hereby invite you to try and make me leave."


You'll be safe then. These "Christian nation" types are notorious for running their mouths and keyboards and never actually doing anything. In some extreme cases, they'll bravely wear white sheets on their heads to support their phony "Christian" causes.


222 posted on 11/22/2004 1:16:49 PM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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To: MineralMan

"...We do not deport or jail people in this nation for their religious beliefs. The minute we start doing that, there is no USA any longer..."


I understand that. This isn't about legitimate religion. We deport them for their tacet support of Jihad - which is not so much a religious belief as it is a conspiracy to commit mass murder. That's the difference. Look, if your neighbor openly supports Jihad and flies the Islamic flag...are you going to wait until he takes action to protect your family? The support of Jihad is a key distinction. Get over the author's piece, it's admittedly over the top. But there are legitimate security issues raised in our fundamental misunderstanding and underestimating the threat of holy war declared against us.


223 posted on 11/22/2004 1:17:18 PM PST by Birdstrike
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To: Blzbba

"...expressing all this concern about some shadowy Islamic movement to take over the country...'


That's right because it's not some insignificant threat to be blown off. We play right into the hands of our enemies by diminishing the threat they pose. Again, what is it going to take to convince you that Jihad is the greatest current threat to western civilization and that we must answerit both within and without our borders?


224 posted on 11/22/2004 1:20:04 PM PST by Birdstrike
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To: Birdstrike; MineralMan

"We deport them for their tacet support of Jihad "


Can we deport all Klan members and those who support them? How about all neo-Nazis? No doubt that Nazi ideals are a threat too! What about anti-Zionists?

I'd like to also deport all Georgia football fans. They are a threat to my sanity.


225 posted on 11/22/2004 1:21:02 PM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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To: Birdstrike
"There is nothing inherently religious about Jihad."

That's exactly the point. Jihad merely means 'struggle', and is a term hijacked by extremists (who also hijack terms like Muslim, Islam, infidel, etc) to lend credence to what is actually a relatively small movement. Anti-westernism is popular in that part of the world, but blowing up buildings and killing innocents en masse is not. Were there plenty of people cheering after the Sept 11th attacks? Sure - and that's what gets ratings for the media. What doesn't get ratings? Muslims sitting there solemly, quietly condemning what's happened while shaking their heads in disbelief.

"Obviously I recognize that mass deportation isn't the answer."

Ok, it's good that you've come around on that.

"there's a point between mass deportations and open borders that we must find and enforce."

Absolutely - and it's enforcing our immigration laws and securing our borders and ports. We need to control who is entering our nation and what they're entering our nation with. We need to fix the INS or replace it with something that'll actually do the job. We need to know who's visiting the country, we need to quickly process visa applications and extensions, and we need to make sure we know who's visiting and why. Once we control the borders and ports, we can then count on our intelligence communities and our anti-terrorism task forces to help ensure our security here at home. That, coupled with going after the terrorists financially and physically will give us a huge amount of security beyond what we have right now.
226 posted on 11/22/2004 1:21:51 PM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: Birdstrike

I know, beacuse we've all heard those stories about people flying the islamic flag, then killing their neighbors. Wake up people! If you see these flags, call birdstrike, he'll waddle away from his computer and rescue you!


227 posted on 11/22/2004 1:22:29 PM PST by notigar
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To: 506trooper; Birdstrike

"Pretty basic, but some are not hearing you"

Oh, they hear me. The main poster in this thread, birdstrike, is a recent member of Free Republic. Another poster has suggested that some people have come here from sites like stormfront.org to troll.

Now, I won't call this birdstrike a troll, but he's certainly not suggesting anything that is possible under our constitution. He's heard from many here who won't stand for this nonsense. We understand that ejecting one group because of their religion is just a beginning.

We won't make the mistake that other nations have made in targeting a group for their hatred. That's what the jihadists do. That's not what the United States of America does.

I cannot remember a thread where I read so many anti-American statements. I am disgusted.


228 posted on 11/22/2004 1:23:14 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: horizondb
Don't have to kill them, relocation and/or "re-education" qualify. The basis of our delay in ratifying the Genocide Treaty was based on our treatment of Native Americans in that regard far more than on the deaths inflicted.

You're right the article is juvenile, though perhaps not totally "flawed" in that I suspect it's designed to identify like-thinkers.

229 posted on 11/22/2004 1:24:15 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: Birdstrike

"Again, what is it going to take to convince you that Jihad is the greatest current threat to western civilization "


A. I dunno - some sort of action by the President that tightens our borders from illegal immigration, rather than the floodgate-opening legislation he's so dilgently signed?


B. Also, we'd better start calling back the Nat'l Guard troops from Iraq, as these deportation ideas require far more manpower than we currently have deployable.


C. Are you suggesting that the threat here at home is larger than that in Iraq? If so, you should be writing the Commander in Chief alerting him to this new threat! If you're correct, why are we wasting money and American lives in Iraq?


230 posted on 11/22/2004 1:25:41 PM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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To: MineralMan

Don't be digusted. It is, truly, amusing. The fact that they are here means they can't be out, doing something, for real.


231 posted on 11/22/2004 1:27:06 PM PST by notigar
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To: Birdstrike

"Get over the author's piece, it's admittedly over the top. But there are legitimate security issues raised in our fundamental misunderstanding and underestimating the threat of holy war declared against us."

Bull-hockey. You're just backing down because you're seeing that you're getting nailed by people who understand how our Consitution protects us all.

Personally, I suspect that you've come here from some site like stormfront.org to troll here. I cannot prove that, but I suspect it.

You'll find it doesn't work. For every two people here who will parrot your words, there are ten who will tell you just how wrong you are.

If you want a discussion, post sensible threads. If you want an argument, you'll find that here too, but those arguing against you have their wits about them.

If you want to get tossed from FR, just go a little bit further than you did with this post today.

It's all up to you.


232 posted on 11/22/2004 1:28:06 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: notigar

"I know, beacuse we've all heard those stories about people flying the islamic flag, then killing their neighbors. Wake up people! If you see these flags, call birdstrike, he'll waddle away from his computer and rescue you!"

LOL! Waddle! You have the same picture in your head that's in mine.


233 posted on 11/22/2004 1:29:28 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: notigar

"Don't be digusted. It is, truly, amusing. The fact that they are here means they can't be out, doing something, for real."

That may well be true of the poster in question. It is not, however, true of others.


234 posted on 11/22/2004 1:30:51 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

"...We understand that ejecting one group because of their religion is just a beginning....We won't make the mistake that other nations have made in targeting a group for their hatred. That's what the jihadists do. That's not what the United States of America does...I cannot remember a thread where I read so many anti-American statements. I am disgusted.


You're also pompous. If you want to disagree with the article, fine, go ahead and do so on its merits or lack thereof. But you are the one displayimg intolerance with your repeated attacks on me, the poster, and hearty concurrence with slinging insults at me for posting it.

I thought the premise was interesting and I defended parts of it as I'm a debater. Pull up the flightinfo.com website and do a search on Birdstrike. My posts are all there. There are degrees of "ejection" and we would do well to consider the author's points, that's all. Can that be dome without reference to white supremacy groups and all that? I've not mentioned any of that and that's not where I'm coming from in posting here. What's the fact that I'm a newbie have to do with anything? Don't you welcome fresh ideas here or only those that conform to FR group think?

I know the piece was over the top but deal with it rationally and point by point. You sound like a raving Deomocrat who apersonally attacks the poster over dealing effectively with the content of the post. Contrary to you're pronouncements, deportation remains a possible instrument of US policy. Likely? Hell no. But you don't have to be a John Bircher to consider that there may be some merits to parts of such a policy. That's all!


235 posted on 11/22/2004 1:35:43 PM PST by Birdstrike
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To: MineralMan

Heck, I'm a recent member(I've been a Lurker for a couple of years). If this is a troll invasion, it's certainly not any more controversial than some other threads.

Nothing like politics or religion to get a strong response/


236 posted on 11/22/2004 1:37:25 PM PST by 506trooper ( rough man standing ready to do violence on your behalf)
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To: SJackson
You're right the article is juvenile, though perhaps not totally "flawed" in that I suspect it's designed to identify like-thinkers.

If he is HERE to find like minded thinks then he is flawed.

Where the majority of America may have been ignoant of Jahid prior to 9/11/01 I do not believe that is the case today.

I also went back and read your post on the Genocide Treaty. I better understand your comment. Very well done. Please put me on that PING list.

237 posted on 11/22/2004 1:43:59 PM PST by horizondb
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To: Birdstrike

Well, I did go over to that site, and found this in one post you made there. It's an excerpt, but makes it pretty clear where you stand:




If only Israel had taken care of the problem when Joshua brought the tribes into the promised land. God told them to eradicate the heathen tribes who lived there and were into everything from child sacrifice to idol worship. Not only did Israel fail to wipe them out, they intermarried with them...and the rest is history. Now radical Muslim extremists will remain a thorn in our side until Christ comes again.




No thanks. We don't eradicate people in this country.


238 posted on 11/22/2004 1:44:43 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

This may get me in trouble but.....call a medic...that looks like a sucking chest wound!!!!!


239 posted on 11/22/2004 1:48:38 PM PST by 506trooper ( rough man standing ready to do violence on your behalf)
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To: 506trooper

"This may get me in trouble but.....call a medic...that looks like a sucking chest wound!!!!!"

It does, doesn't it. And the guy TOLD me to go there and read his posts. I'm not joining that chat forum to go searching for his stuff, but there that was, right in the thread.

Oh well...I was right.


240 posted on 11/22/2004 1:51:39 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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