Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike
The Muslim religion preaches the extreme and death to those who do not believe in it. Jihadists are following their religion. They are the greatest threat to the security of the world and therefore they should be kept out of our country and confined to their own, where they can preach what they want and live in the dark ages if they so choose.
They are not a threat because they don't live in democracies, they are a threat becasue of what they believe. Read their "holy" book and see for yourself.
There are hundreds of mosques right here in the USA and millions of muslims, many of whom call themselves Americans. Yet their silence is deafening. Which one can I trust? I have not heard or seen a single one of them speak out against the disregard for human life or the violence that you say is "not the average Muslim."
What and who is the "average Muslim"? Is it one that doesn't commit the violence himself but condones it, finances it and does nothing to prevent it or won't even raise his voice against it? Who are these "moderate and average" Muslims of which you speak and where do they live? Why don't you tell me that? Or should I just wait for the next act of murder and the repetition of silence from the bretheren of those that commit it?
You see I don't care what they "believe" but I do care what they do in my country. As long as they stay in their own country I don't care how they live. I would like to see us stay out of their countries and stop trying to tell them what to believe, how to live or what to do. However, the minute they come out of their lairs they make themselves fair game.
If they or you want me to believe that the "average Muslim" is a good guy that I should trust and give sanctuary in my house, then let the "average Muslims" come forward and let me hear their voice. Until they do, I am unable to tell the difference between this average guy you're talking about and the one that's just waiting for his chance to stab me or my brother in the back.
I'm not asking them to think like me or to believe what I believe and I really don't care if they read the Quran or the Bible. As long as they are a threat I don't want them in my house. It will take a lot of convincing on their part to get me to accept that they are not my enemy. That's their problem not mine. Until they are able to do it, I would like them to go home. I have neither the time or the desire to "convert" them to anything.
Nasty sentiment and completely false. All are welcome who abide by the laws of the Republic. Religious proclamations and oaths are not required.
I don't expect the moon and the stars... :-)
People keep claiming that Muslims have not publicly condemned the acts of the jihadists. That is simply not true, and never has been. To see some of the public condemnations, go here:
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
This is the Roy-Moore-bigotry.
Catholics are not considered "Christian" by some. And Jews certainly are not.
You don't "own" this country. To treat non-Christians as second-class citizens is the most un-American thing I can think of.
Why, because that is what you want them to do? Perhaps they don't out of fear. Just because someone may be silent, it doesn't mean they think the way you believe they do.
Here are some other Quotes those fine gentlemen made:
Adams, John letter to Zabdiel Adams
June 21, 1776
Topic: Religion and Morality
Statesmen by dear Sir, may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand....The only foundation of a free Constitution, is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People, in a great Measure, than they have it now, They may change their Rulers, and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty.
Adams, John Address to the Military
October 11, 1798
Topic: Religion and Morality
We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Adams, John letter in response to Rush letter above
August 28, 1811
Topic: Religion and Morality
[R]eligion and virtue are the only foundations, not of republicanism and of all free government, but of social felicity under all government and in all the combinations of human society.
Jefferson, Thomas Westmoreland County Petition
November 2, 1785
Topic: Religion and Morality
Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts...in which all religions agree.
Paine, Thomas Common Sense
1776
Topic: Religious Liberty
The reformation was preceded by the discovery of America, as if the Almighty graciously meant to open a sanctuary to the persecuted in future years, when home should afford neither friendship nor safety.
I'm thinking this thread was an attempt to scare up some nasty elements, if possible.
I look at Islam differently because when the Quran and the hadiths are followed, people get killed or are forced to submit. When Christian bible-thumpers come after you, generally speaking, you can tell them to take a hike and they won't kill you. Also I've never known a Christian group to set off bombs or glorify martyrdom.
I would absolutely love to think that the fundamentalist Muslims who are causing the problems are just a radical few who have "hijacked" Islam, and that most Muslims are great, peaceful people. But look around the world and see what a large percentage of Muslims openly root for the terrorists and for the destruction of the USA...we're talking millions. And I fear that many here in the USA are really closet fundamentalists who could become "activated" at any time. Maybe I'm wrong.
Do you see Jesus here? I didn't think so...
They were mostly Deists and atheists... Not Christians!
Nonsense. The vast majority of Muslim Americans are no threat to you or anybody else.
They're AMERICANS!
"Those of us who are Jewish and American just marked our 350th anniversary in this country. Are we guests too?"
Apparently so, according to a few posters here. Also, you're going to HELLLLL for not believing in Jesus Christ.
Sorry and thanks for your taxes!!
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"Come and try to deport this 4th generation American Jew."
As a native American deist, I'll happily defend you.
You will find some supporters, but the vast majority of us here are not in favor of deporting American citizens.
"I'm thinking this thread was an attempt to scare up some nasty elements, if possible.
"
Well, it seems to have worked.
Silence is just that, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.
"As a native American deist, I'll happily defend you"
And, as a native-born American atheist, I'll be standing right beside you.
The funny thing is that these screams of Hell don't take into consideration the fact that Jews do not believe in Hell... :-)
How about when people follow the parts that do not advocate violence?
I do not see millions openly rooting for the terrorists....I only see what the media presents.
That, or they realized they weren't on Stormfront.com.
Pffft..I hear the 'hell' thing more times a day than I care to count.
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