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Fact Checking the Boston Globe - in Advance (Utah Professor's Study of CBS Memos Exposed as Fraud)
Wizbang ^ | 09/30/04 | Paul

Posted on 09/30/2004 3:27:49 PM PDT by mojito

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To: mojito
LoL the nutty professor :^D


21 posted on 09/30/2004 3:41:18 PM PDT by FesterUSMC
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To: mojito

There's also something wrong with the "nd"s in the words "conduct" and "conducted". Look at them at 400%...they don't match.


22 posted on 09/30/2004 3:42:50 PM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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To: mcg1969
Actually, the latest thinking is this is NOT a forgery. The professor is quite clear about how he constructed his version of the memo. His methods are fatally flawed but he is not misrepresenting himself.

Yes, I'm reading that too. Go slow everybody. Read the posts on the blog before jumping to conclusions.

Prairie

23 posted on 09/30/2004 3:44:05 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (The Democrat Party has become a national embarrassment!)
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To: mojito
I posted this morning that the th was not addressed in his findings even though he had 'reproduced' it. I knew his omission was for a reason but didn't have an enlargement to verify. Thanks for the pdf. It is very clear now how he forged the th.
24 posted on 09/30/2004 3:45:52 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: mojito
No, no, no! You all have it totally wrong! These CBS documents are genuine! You see, what really happened was that the original documents were scanned into a computer, and the computer OCR'd the document into a word .doc, assigning the default font to the file. Then a fax program was used to send the .doc file.

It's happened to me lots of times when I scanned original letters from the aliens that were telling me which government officials were actually replaced by body doubles with implantedmind control systems.

25 posted on 09/30/2004 3:48:03 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Grig

Oh.. my...God....

Why are they doing this?


26 posted on 09/30/2004 3:48:59 PM PDT by stands2reason (Limousine Liberal--a man who has his cake, eats his cake, and complains that other people have cake.)
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To: Smogger

Indeed. That would be evidence he's full of it. But it's NOT evidence he's committed academic fraud. The point is, he explicitly stated that he constructed the document in PhotoShop. There was no secrecy.


27 posted on 09/30/2004 3:49:03 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: mojito

bump


28 posted on 09/30/2004 3:55:52 PM PDT by lowbridge (I wouldn't want to be a liberals caps lock key on election day)
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To: mojito

Say hi to Hailey. I just sent him this thread.


29 posted on 09/30/2004 3:58:34 PM PDT by doug from upland (Dan Rather is a journalist like Michael Moore is a pole vaulter.)
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To: mojito

DUDE you need to send this to the president and chairman of the school. If he used school equipment to perpatraint a fraud say Buh BYE tenure hello unemployment...


30 posted on 09/30/2004 4:03:23 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: mojito
His web directory is FULL of work-in-progress stuff for this fraud. Many are in photoshop format, but here are some of the .gif ones.

Here we have the comparison BEFORE the 'th' is added in, also note the 72 (in 1972)

This image on his site shows some difference between the two fonts. Look at the a, c,e,p,v and y for starters.


31 posted on 09/30/2004 4:03:45 PM PDT by Grig
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To: mcg1969
>>>he explicitly stated that he constructed the document in PhotoShop. There was no secrecy...

If it was an excercize in making a document using a modern computer program, (Photoshop) what is the point?

The allegation is that the document was produced using a modern computer program (Microsoft Word). If his findings are that it could have been done with a typewriter, it is a false statement since he used a computer.

That is fraud.

32 posted on 09/30/2004 4:11:00 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Grig
Yep. This is academic fraud. It is one thing to use Photoshop to generate fonts and move entire sets of letters around simply to COMPARE them. It is something else entirely to generate letters and then manipulate their position or spacing so they appear similar to other documents in order to DECEIVE. The odd thing is that his forgeries were pathetically amateurish.
33 posted on 09/30/2004 4:12:32 PM PDT by Kirkwood (I think, therefore I am Republican!)
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To: Grig

Notice how he also set aside and came back later to individually modify the numbers in the dates (e.g., 9, 7, & 2) to make them look more like the memo. I hate people who lie like that. It is one thing to make a mistake in analysis, another thing entirely to lie and make money off of it by professing to be an expert.


34 posted on 09/30/2004 4:18:59 PM PDT by Kirkwood (I think, therefore I am Republican!)
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To: Grig

He explicitly stated in the text of his document that he constructed them in this manner. There is no fraud here. A stupid case with holes you could drive a Hummer through, but no fraud.


35 posted on 09/30/2004 4:25:30 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Kirkwood

It's weird. Based on his bio at USU, Hailey is a specialist in technical writing (multimedia, online learning, help files, etc.), not forensics or typography. He has to know that he'd get blown out of the water by the real experts. He seems technically astute enough, so why risk being made a laughing stock?


36 posted on 09/30/2004 4:27:34 PM PDT by macbee ("Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Dan(9698)
If it was an excercize in making a document using a modern computer program, (Photoshop) what is the point?

He was trying to show that the fonts match a typewriter font better than Times Roman. He doesn't HAVE the typewriter in question. (A big flaw in his argument of course.)

The allegation is that the document was produced using a modern computer program (Microsoft Word). If his findings are that it could have been done with a typewriter, it is a false statement since he used a computer. That is fraud.

Wrong. Fraud requires intent to deceive. He described his methodology in detail, opening himself up to plenty of criticism---and he quite deservedly is receiving it. Like I said, his argument has so many holes you can drive a Hummer through them.

What would have been fraud is if he did not share his methods, and attempted to convince us that he constructed this document on a typewriter. He did not do that.

37 posted on 09/30/2004 4:28:11 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969; Dan(9698)

Oops, I should have italicized that third paragraph, because it is yours, not mine.


38 posted on 09/30/2004 4:28:57 PM PDT by mcg1969
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There is no fraud here. A stupid case with holes you could drive a Hummer through, but no fraud.

So he's actually trying to reconstruct whether the forgeries might have been Photoshopped? If so, why the heck would the Globe run with that?

39 posted on 09/30/2004 4:31:19 PM PDT by macbee ("Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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I don't know if this has been brought up before but there is a very simple way to tell if the Rathergate documents are forged.

If you can examine the original documents, a typewrite impacts the paper and leaves an indent in the paper in the shape of the key.

A laser printer burns the image on to the paper.

All you have to do is look at the print under magnification to show the truth.

Now you know why they will not produce originals. This method will conclusively prove that the documents were forged.


40 posted on 09/30/2004 4:34:07 PM PDT by BlackRain
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