Posted on 09/19/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by grace522
IF YOU ARE A KERRY FAN PLEASE READ THIS... YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS.. I know there's a lot of these going around, but this one is verrrrry interesting.... > [Original Message] Subject: Kerry's Military Record? Oh What a Tangled Web He Weaves...
Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director
Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org
Military Record
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.
My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............
After Paris was signed in '73 the USMC was required to bring it's troop numbers back down to a certain level, I assume the Navy had the same problem. I do not even know if that attrition level is published. But, in any case, the CMC & USN decided to discharge 100 men from each battalion sized unit to bring those numbers back where they were supposed to be.
Discharges that year were flying fast and furious and where I was, as an 01, we handled the real wackos & the hardships that needed either a hearing or a General Officers signature. (And other more delicate stuff)
So sKerry's March, '01 discharge shows a big hidden skeleton, good, bad, or otherwise.
There are lots of things to fault Kerry about but having a Reserve commission is not one of them.
Officers who have graduated from civilian colleges and get their commissions through ROTC or Officer Candidate School (OCS) get Reserve commissions. Service Academy graduates get Regular commissions.
After commissioning, it is off to active duty for a few years where every officer is the same regardless of whether he has a Reserve or Regular commission.
Since, as a percentage of the total officer corps, Academy graduates are in a small minority, most junior officers that bled and died in World War II, Korea and Vietnam had Reserve commissions.
Colin Powell got his commission through ROTC and Bob Dole got his commission through OCS.
I just read Kerrys enlistment contract, it was for 6 years from febuary 18, 1966. He was released from AD in 1970 and served on Inactive Duty for two years and then released to the
IRR. Is it normal for Naval officers or any other officers from that period to be placed on IRR for 6 years?
OK. BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS TO MUDDLED WITH COMMENTS. WHICH ONLY SERVE AS A VENTING.
Can someone that has access to let us say a local newspaper located in Washington DC, or Maryland that is KNOWN TO BE EITHER NEUTRAL OR CONSERVATIVE:
1) Get a cut and paste copy of the original threads contents.
2) Get a follow up cut and paste copy of the stuff
CRUSHELITS wrote dealing with possible ways to gain the truth by investigating the sources he refrenced.
Then if adequate suspicions are found. Have that newspaper contact conservative papers such as the WEEKLY STANDARD, to see if they can get others such as WP etc., to start writing articles in time to save this election? And lay
once and for all before the American public the truth on
this issue.
I just see that as usual, these threads get quickly populated by well meaning individuals then nothing comes of it. This could be what breaks JFK's chance for the win.
And further bring to light what JFK really is.
But someone in the position to do so, living in the Washington DC area that can either do the leg work and or
make contact with a newspaper that would be willing to help
MUST BE DONE SOON OR ALL YOUR FRUSTRATION GO DOWN THE DRAIN.
Tnank you in advance if anyone can take on this challenge.
I wish I could be in the position to do it. But really cannot. Live to far away from possible sources, am in not
so good condition, do not have a job etc..
Thank you.
*** the public is getting tired of this but Rather and the [New York]Times keep on with the story ***
gotta keep NY in the Kerry column somehow !
I just want to know where Kerry's 214 from the reserves is
Maybe Kerry was discarged from the Navy before he wasn't discharged from the Navy or something like that. The fact that Kerry has the ability to flip flop on anything would explain the different discharges and when he was in and out of the navy.
The explaination would be as simple as that.
Ok. First of all, DD214's are not granted to Guardsmen or Reservists when they seperate. There is another form, and I forget the number. But a DD214 is only given to reservists and guardsmen after completing an active duty tour of service that lasts for more than 30 consecutive days. If Kerry was in the Reserves, and was not activated during that time, he would not have gotten a DD214. However, he would have had to recieve a DD214 when he transferred from Active Duty to the Naval Reserve.
Second...general discharges are granted for a variety of circumstances. While I am not proud of it, I was given a General Discharge after not showing up for my Annual Tour for the National Guard. It was a stupid mistake on my part. I was young and dumb, but I got demoted and my Commander gave me the option of sticking it out or applying for a General Discharge under Honorable conditions. Because my ego was bigger than my brain, I did the latter.
In the end, and at no request from me, I was granted an Honorable Discharge after my IRR committment ended. I am still not sure why, but I got the paperwork three years ago stating that I was Honorably Discharged. I, unlike Kerry, am willing to admit my stupid mistakes.
But the fact is, this is very plausible. I would know better than most due to my circumstances when I seperated from the service. I can't say I believe it, but it is plausible.
(For the record...I spent several months trying to get back in the service after 9/11. I was willing to do my part. However, they had a recruiting boom and no more room for me when I tried.)
In any event...that's how the General Discharge works.
214 is separation from active duty.
The roosters have landed. Matt D. ready to bust open Rathergate - CBS folding under weight of the world.
another thing I just caught was Kerry's time requested for staying in the IRR, he didnt place it in his files. He should have done that. He had the choice for staying in as little as one year and as many as a lifetime, I highly doubt he wanted to stay in longer than another year, with his politics and other things keeping him busy. I think he was completely discharged in 1 apr 1973 and HAD to be pardoned and have his 214 upgraded by clinton, carter just gave him the certificate.
Yes, and?
Jay, that is simply false. Guard and reserve guys sign DD-214's every time they are released from active status. This is a fact, I've done it as a Guardsmanand I'm looking at my last one as I type this.
You also receive one after your contract expires in the reserve.
What do you mean??
AH! I didn't know dat. :-)
I'm 30 years out of it and completely lost on how reserves work. Thanks. :-)
I'm done explaining it but, having missed my point, you are conversing with only your own imagination.
Seems I've been broadcasting in UHF to fellers who are only HF-equipped.
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