50 caliber ban

9/18/04 | cwanetick

[cwanetick]

Well Arnolds true colors have shown here in California. He has banned all 50 BMG caliber rifles. He is a kennedy after all. Right after the clinton assult ban epired, the Governer of California signed this ban into law... I guess the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree!!!!

[cwanetick]

Well Arnolds true colors have shown here in California. He has banned all 50 BMG caliber rifles. He is a kennedy after all. Right after the clinton assult ban epired, the Governer of California signed this ban into law... I guess the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree!!!!

[endthematrix]

Saving the children from the onslaught of snipers 1.5 miles away? A liberal in an expensive suit.

[endthematrix]

cwanetick
Since Sep 18, 2004

Lurked long enough?

[coconutt2000]

California... What did you expect? Did he put a time limit on the guns?


Oh, and this is going to come back bite them. You can still get these guns on the black market... Which, from what I hear, is alive and well in L.A. and S.F. All that shipping going through.

[sargon]

If someone bans a certain gun (anything less than full auto), I will do everything in my power to purchase such a gun.

The .50 cal has just made my list.

And, parenthetically, it is legal for American citizens to own machine guns, subject to certain restrictions, taxes, etc...

[trickyricky]

The best you can ever hope for in that socialist "paradise" is a RINO.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...he has banned all 50 BMG caliber rifles....

Got a link to the story?

[emdee5]

Speaking as a well informed Canadian (about which later), It was my impression that Gov. Shwartseneger (spel?) was doing a good job.
If anyone in this Blog Area, differs with my opinion, I would like to know why.

As for my alleged "Country" , a people who consistently define themselves as what they are not, don't deserve to be a "country"; and might as well, become the 51st State of the US.

emdee5

[gcruse]

Welcome to FR. Your profile is impressive.

[stockpirate]

I wonder if the ban applies to the new 100 caliber rifle that will be out in a few months?

[endthematrix]

Welcome to FR! There was great expectations (Republican Gov of a socialist state) and reservations (Shriver-Kennedy connected). He hasn't been too effective battling the envirowakos, seems to cater to illegals and now infringing on the RKBA. A term on FR is RINO (Republican In Name Only) and it applies perfectly.

[Amn. Seaman]

When is that slated to come out?

and whats its name?

[Amn. Seaman]

Last time I checked a .50 cal is not a very good sniper weapon. And why ban .50 cal's a PSG 1 H&K 7.62mm may not be as powerful but it can certainly do as much damage if not more.

[stockpirate]

The unit was recently in a arms publication. I think it is called an XM 809. It will fire 400 rounds per minute, fires a computer controlled rounds that will put the round inside of a woindow and explode the round. Used as a mounted unit or infantry fired unit. Also fires a non-computer controlled round. I am looking on the net to see if I can find more information on the unit. Here is a link to a prototype of the unit it is not the unit I mentioed. Prototype of New unit

[stockpirate]

I found it. link

The US Army issued a contract to build a new heavy machine-gun, the M307. It can fire 25mm "smart shells" or, with a barrel change, the older .50 caliver (12.7mm) bullets. Earlier, it planned to build a new .50 caliber machine-gun, the M312.

Now it’s official, the U.S. Army is building a replacement for the 1920s era M-2 .50 caliber (12.7mm) heavy machine-gun. The new weapon, the M-307, has been designed so it can fire either the computer controlled 25mm "smart shell" or (by changing the barrel and receiver), .50 caliber ammo. The troops will begin receiving the new weapon in three or four years.

The M-2, nicknamed "Ma Deuce" by the troops, has been around so long because it was very good at what it did. Accurate, reliable, rugged and easy to use, many of the M-2s currently in use are decades old. The army doesn’t want to build new ones, and wasn’t sure it could do without the venerable, and very useful, Ma Deuce. So instead of going ahead with the plan to build a new .50 caliber machine-gun (the XM312), the manufacturer of the XM307 (General Dynamics) was given the go ahead on manufacturing their weapon with the stipulation that it be convertible to a plain old, non-computer, .50 caliber weapon by quickly swapping out a few parts. The XM312 was only eight pounds lighter than the 50 pound XM307, as the electronic component of the XM307 is not all that heavy, just expensive and always in need of fresh batteries. Maybe they’ll get in the habit of slipping a fresh battery into each box of 25mm ammo.

Aside from the .50 caliber ammo being 20 times cheaper than the high tech 25mm stuff, if there are teething problems with the computer controlled weapon, the troops will still have a spiffy new version of the old M-2. An XM307 with a .50 caliber barrel is still 14 pounds lighter than an M-2 and can use some aspects of the fire control electronics (like the range finder).

The 25mm XM307 was developed from the 1990s project to produce a 20mm computer controlled shell for an infantry weapon, as well as a heavier crew served weapon (the XM307). The 20mm shell proved to be rather less lethal than was required, so it was decided to move up to 25mm. The infantry weapon (the OICW) combined the 25mm weapon and a 5.56mm rifle in one unwieldy arrangement that has now been dropped. There will be a semi-automatic 25mm weapon (the XM-25) for the infantry (that looks and feels like a hefty shotgun) and the automatic XM307 (which weighs 50 pounds and fires the 25mm rounds at the rate of about 250 a minute, or four a second.) The computer controlled 25mm round, at over 20 bucks each, can also be fired one at a time. This will often be sufficient, because the XM307 has a built in range finder that can put a 25mm round through a window, and have it detonate inside the room. This can be very useful, and there’s no need to put dozens of rounds through the window, as is the case with the current .50 caliber weapon. The XM307 can also fire more conventional armor piercing and incendiary shell. The major problem with the XM307 is that this new computer controlled stuff has not been used in combat yet. Until it is, no one will be quite sure just how much of an improvement it is over Ma Deuce.