Posted on 09/10/2004 5:55:13 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian's signature is a matter of public record. It appears on several documents previously released to the public. Here are links to two examples:
Bush's Request for Discharge: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc27.gif
Misc. Bush personnel files (on page 2): http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/10-1_2000_Personnel_File.pdf
This signature is not the same as the signature on the memos released by CBS's 60 minutes. See the signatures side by side at this link:
http://tinypic.com/4l1tx
As is clearly evident, the signatures were made by different hands. For instance, the K in Killian alone was made with completely different pen strokes in the CBS documents and the official documents. On the CBS memo the upper and lower diagonal legs of the K were one stroke and ended with the pen looping up lazily. On the official documents the upper diagonal leg was made in one stroke with the vertical leg of the K and the pen went sharply down at the end of the upper diagonal leg.
The two official versions of Killian's signature are dated July 1970 and September 1973. They are nearly identical. The CBS memo signature was allegedly made in May 1972, between the two official versions, but is completely different. A person's signature can not change so fundamentally in 22 months only to revert to its original form 16 months later. The signature on the CBS memos may be an "original" (meaning it was written on the memo, not pasted in), but it is not the signature of Lt. Colonel Jerry B. Killian.
This is irrefutable proof the CBS memos are forgeries.
http://tinypic.com/4l1tx
You may not realize this, but this was discussed, and shown, many times yesterday.
The two signatures aren't even close.
Thank you.
Your welcome. Good find!
Mine does. It depends on the pen used, the writing surface, my mood, what I'm signing, whether I'm rushed, if my hands are cold, the size of the space to be signed, whether I sign my whole name or my nickname....tons of different things. Not irrefutable proof, but lets keep trying.
D Rather admitted that CBS did not have the original documents, but copies. How easy is it to "cut-n-paste" a real signature onto any document?
Then why didn't they paste a real signature into the CBS memo? Instead the signature is not that of Killian. That has puzzled me for 3 days.
My signature changes too, but not in the order and direction of pen strokes. In these two signatures the K is made by completely different pen strokes in both signatures. I have worked with enough handwriting analysts to know that.
But if you do not take my word for it, get some professional handwriting analysts to look at the signatures. They are not made by the same hand. That IS irrefutable.
If you needed a confession to get a conviction for forgery, I could get rid of 15% of my caseload right now. If handwriting analysis is sufficient evidence to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that someone should go to prison for forgery, then it is good enough evidence for the Washington Times, or Fox News, or the New York Post, or someone to convince the public these memos are fake.
You seem to think you are in court. You aren't. This is the media, and the court of public opinion. The rules are different and, honestly, most people will "believe" whatever backs their opinion on Bush.
I provided links to two official versions of Killian's signature. They were made about 3 years apart and are identical, at least in the type of pen strokes used to make the signatures. There are also two versions of the CBS memo signature. The two official signatures are consistent with each other and the two CBS versions are consistent with each other. And the official versions are consistently different from the CBS versions. That is my point in a nutshell.
You are correct, there must be many other examples out there: probate records, bank records, other TANG records, documents provided by a cooperative family, etc. etc.. Some reporter could get a helluva scoop if they cared to do a little leg work.
BUT, but marcel matley says they are...and he's a handwriting expert.
Guess he's wrong, huh?
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