Shoot The Bastards?

The Autonomist ^ | 8/10/04 | Reginald Firehammer

[B4Ranch]

>>Though it's half a century later and the war between the two Parties continues... <<
Who are you kidding? They sleep in the same bed, just get dressed in different rest rooms and call that a difference.

[Just another Joe]

You pay a whole 10% in federal income taxes. Goodness, what a government slave you are!

That's not the point.
You made the claim that a family of four, making $40,000, pays only $48 in federal income tax. That's bogus by my experience.

Now would you care to address the OTHER taxes the federal government takes in addition to income tax?

I'm no PERSON'S or GOVERNMENT'S slave. I pay the government a percentage of my income to, basically, protect me from foreign invaders. Most of this other BS should be shot out the window.

[Southack]

"Have you ever wished to cut down a few acres of trees on you own land to thin them out? Who makes the costs feasible to burn them instead?"

I live in Alabama. I own a significant amount of land in Bama and Texas. I've cleared brush in both states. I've cleared trees in large numbers over many, many acres in both states. Some counties in Alabama charge a small fee for using a bulldozer for dirt work. That's about the only restriction (presuming that you don't own wetlands), and it's a state one, not federal.

"Have you ever used your own bulldozer to cut a new cattle pond because you wanted to divide some pastures?"

I had to get a permit to irrigate some grass for hay once, it cost me $50. When I called about a permit for a new pond, the government agent man offered to pay 90% of my costs for building that new tank.

This may sound funny, but I just didn't see my freedoms eroded or lost in either case.

"Do you remember when farmers and ranchers left the ditches and corners of their crops for the local bunnies and birds?"

Not really. Farm runoff is probably looked at more closely now, so I'll grant you that point, though.

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[Southack]

"Who are you kidding? They sleep in the same bed, just get dressed in different rest rooms and call that a difference."

One Party is pro-abortion, the other is pro-life.

One Party supports tax cuts, the other wants tax hikes.

One Party supports nonsensical foreign treaties such as the Kyoto Global Warming rubbish, the International Criminal Court, the old CCCP-U.S. ABM treaty, the UN's International Ban On Small Arms Trafficking (read: the end of gun ownership worldwide), while the other Party has deep-sixed all of the above.

One Party supports Palestinians, the other supports Israel.

One Party supports Affirmative Action, the other opposes it.

NEWSFLASH: that ain't being in the same bed together!

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[Southack]

"You made the claim that a family of four, making $40,000, pays only $48 in federal income tax. That's bogus by my experience."

It's not a claim, it's a fact.

"A married couple with two children and income of $40,000 will see their taxes reduced by $1,133 (from $1,178 to $45) in 2003, a decline of 96 percent."

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[Southack]

"Now would you care to address the OTHER taxes the federal government takes in addition to income tax?"

Yes. Income taxes are some 96% of all federal income.

Whine about the other 4% in taxes enslaving you all that you want, I doubt that your arguments persuade many to that train of thought...

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[B4Ranch]

The differences between Republicans and Democrats are differences of slight degree.

How much funding should public schools get? How do we get the people to pay for Federal regulations without them realizing it? How much welfare should there be? How many drug offenders should get treatment? What tax rates should the IRS use for different income levels?

Republican RINO's crossdress as Democrats most of the time, yet the Republican Party pushes for their reelection.

It's a classic case of us voting for who is the least harmful for society.

[B4Ranch]

I pulled this line out to discuss it: NEWSFLASH: that ain't being in the same bed together!

If they weren't in the same bed how do you think all this NWO stuff would be getting through the Halls with minimum public complaints from either Party?

I'm getting tired of answering your questions. Time for you to answer the ones I asked you. Go for it.

[tpaine]

"How embarassing it must be for the few who spout such nonsense to finally realize that we are *all* more free today than in the past 160 years, -- and for women and Blacks, that we are more free today than ever before in history."
42 -Hack-

Travis McGee wrote:

Southack brought to the table that for blacks and women, America is without a doubt more free than 60 years ago.

And I observed that except for some aspects of civil rights, that's simply hype. -- Sure, 72 years ago, in 1932, blacks & women were being brutally discriminated against in jobs, education, socially -- ie, - equal opportunities.
But they were as free as anyone to clear rural land, build a country home, practice most professions, eat, drink, or smoke most anything they liked, drive most anything most anywhere they wanted to go, even own & shoot a machine gun.
Try to tell me that hasn't changed.

Unless you believe that we could claim to be more free 60 years ago (as white men only) and the hell with the blacks.

Whats with you thinking I'm saying to hell with blacks, McGee? Weird remark.

Now as far as creeping govt interference in our daily personal and economic lives, no doubt we are MUCH less free today.

You've conceded my point; -- how embarrassing it must be for southack who spouted the nonsense that we are *all* more free today than in the past 160 years.

[Southack]

"how embarrassing it must be for southack who spouted the nonsense that we are *all* more free today than in the past 160 years."

We are more free today. What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1930? Buy sell, and drink alcohol. What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1935? Buy, sell, and trade gold. What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1940? Join a desegregated, color-blind military. What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1950 without risk to life and limb? Register Blacks to vote. What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1960? Put our daughters through any medical, legal, or military university. What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1970? Carry concealed weapons. What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1980? Arm our commercial pilots. What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1990? Make money on the Internet (remember, the internet was around back then, but it was against the law to use it for profit or personal gain).

We don't have to fill out environmental impact statements before building logging roads anymore, either.

So whether talking about Blacks who can now vote, women who can now get any education and job that they want, or the rest of us making a living on the internet, in gold, or in our forests, we are incontrovertibly more free today than 70, 40, or even 10 years ago. We certainly pay less in federal taxes now than in the last half century.

More free today. Less free in the past. That was my point, and I've given you a substantial number of examples of precisely that fact.

In return, you've claimed that we are less free today than in the past. Where are your examples?

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[Just another Joe]

Southack, I don't care about the income tax I, or anyone else, pay at the present rates.

I care about personal freedoms that are being legislated by the government, federal/state/local, in the name of special interest groups with an agenda.

Wetlands is a good example.
Smoking bans is another.

The only reason I brought up income tax is because I can't believe the numbers you have taken from the White House web site. I can't verify that type of a number with anyone I know. If they make the rate cheaper for that tax bracket, where is the money being made up? You know it is somewhere.

No I don't know where it's coming from but I sure would be interested in knowing.

[farmfriend]

You are most welcome.

[shield]

bmp....how funny JUST SHOOT THE BASTARD...for later reading!!!

[farmfriend]

It's a short list because most people want to be adequetely-fed slaves. Freedom takes effort

He wins the prize! I'll let you know when I figure out what it is.

[farmfriend]

I tend to follow certain threads now more than freepers but their are freepers that I skip and freepers that I like to read.

I used to read the threads. I seem to have little time to read them all. Most of the names I search do not come to the property rights threads and I'm not interested in the subjects they frequent enough to follow those threads so I just go read what they have to say about it and let it go at that. Works for me, won't for everyone.

[Travis McGee]

Yes, 160 years ago (to use your date) white southerners were much more "free." THey were free, for example, to buy and sell blacks. They were free to rape them, beat them, and kill them for 'sassing "massa."

Sorry, that's not a freedom I cherish, or lament.

I am sorry that we now have a mega govt micromanaging our lives. In that way, we are less free.

But I am proud that today blacks are more free than they were. Even free to make mistakes.

[Travis McGee]

Thanks. This is the central organizing principle of the 'rat party.

[tpaine]

-- how embarrassing it must be for southack who spouted the nonsense that we are *all* more free today than in the past 160 years.

We are more free today. What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1930? Buy sell, and drink alcohol.

We were unconstitutionally prohibited from buying booze from 1919 to 1933. 14 years out of 217. Get real.

What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1935? Buy, sell, and trade gold.

We were unconstitutionally prohibited from buying gold coins for what, 40 years out of 217? Get real.

What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1940? Join a desegregated, color-blind military.

Get real. Blacks were unconstitutionally discriminated against in the military for 80 years or so. Before that they were slaves.

What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1950 without risk to life and limb? Register Blacks to vote.

Blacks have voted in most northern & western states since emancipation.

What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1960? Put our daughters through any medical, legal, or military university.

Privately financed universities can still admit who they please. Public schools illegally discriminated.

What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1970? Carry concealed weapons.

Carrying concealed has always been a much violated right. But I would bet that most citizens over most of our 217 year history have exercised that right without state or local interference. The 'laws' were not enforced impartially.

What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1980? Arm our commercial pilots.

Pilots were banned from carry in 1980? -- Big deal, - 24 years to correct a mistake is about par for government.

What can we do today that we couldn't do in 1990? Make money on the Internet (remember, the internet was around back then, but it was against the law to use it for profit or personal gain).

Whatta stretch. Get realistic.

We don't have to fill out environmental impact statements before building logging roads anymore, either.

Neither did we for most of our history.

So whether talking about Blacks who can now vote, women who can now get any education and job that they want, or the rest of us making a living on the internet, in gold, or in our forests, we are incontrovertibly more free today than 70, 40, or even 10 years ago. We certainly pay less in federal taxes now than in the last half century.

Babble on. You are only deluding yourself. We have seen an enormous rise in government interference in our lives in the last hundred years.

More free today. Less free in the past. That was my point, and I've given you a substantial number of examples of precisely that fact. In return, you've claimed that we are less free today than in the past. Where are your examples?

If I bothered to start listing ALL the BS 'laws' enacted since I was born in 1936, I doubt I could do it before I die.

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And I'd bet we won't have 500 more days before we get AWB phase II re-enacted.

[Southack]

"We were unconstitutionally prohibited from buying booze from 1919 to 1933. 14 years out of 217. Get real."

No, it was specifically Constitutional because we passed an Amendment to our Constitution to ban alcohol.

Moreover, not only did you get the Cosntitutional aspect wrong, but you missed the point that we are *more* free today than back then when alcohol was banned.

That's the point of debate: that we are more free today than back then. Alcohol being illegal back then but legal today is a specific case in point of that fact.

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[tpaine]

"How embarassing it must be for the few who spout such nonsense to finally realize that we are *all* more free today than in the past 160 years, -- and for women and Blacks, that we are more free today than ever before in history."
42 -Hack-

Travis McGee wrote:

Southack brought to the table that for blacks and women, America is without a doubt more free than 60 years ago.

And I observed that except for some aspects of civil rights, that's simply hype. -- Sure, 72 years ago, in 1932, blacks & women were being brutally discriminated against in jobs, education, socially -- ie, - equal opportunities.

But they were as free as anyone to clear rural land, build a country home, practice most professions, eat, drink, or smoke most anything they liked, drive most anything most anywhere they wanted to go, even own & shoot a machine gun.
Try to tell me that hasn't changed.

Unless you believe that we could claim to be more free 60 years ago (as white men only) and the hell with the blacks.

Whats with you thinking I'm saying to hell with blacks, McGee?
Weird remark.

Now as far as creeping govt interference in our daily personal and economic lives, no doubt we are MUCH less free today.

You've conceded my point; -- how embarrassing it must be for southack who spouted the nonsense that we are *all* more free today than in the past 160 years.

Yes, 160 years ago (to use your date)

Read much? "160" was first used by Hack, at #42.

white southerners were much more "free." They were free, for example, to buy and sell blacks. They were free to rape them, beat them, and kill them for 'sassing "massa." Sorry, that's not a freedom I cherish, or lament.

There you go again. -- Weird comments.
You trying to get my goat, McGee?

I am sorry that we now have a mega govt micromanaging our lives. In that way, we are less free.

Yes indeed. We still agree on that, just as you said in your last post.

But I am proud that today blacks are more free than they were. Even free to make mistakes.

Who isn't?
You're making a point not in contention. Why?