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[raysol]

Have gun will travel/NOT

Compare & contrast these 2 quotes given that our troops are in over 100 foreign lands(where we dont belong).So much for original intent .Guess we know better than the founding fathers who werent serious after all.

* “America goes not abroad [i.e., overseas] in search of monsters to destroy. She [i.e., America] is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition, which assume the colors of patriotism and usurp the standards of freedom.” (From his address for Independence Day, 1821)

(sounds just like US in Iraq & elsewhere )bring ALL our troops home now.

*Henry Kissinger (in the book Final days by Woodward & Bernstein) In Haigs presence then Secretary of State HK referred pointedly to military men as dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns for our foreign policy.

Apparently not much has changed since then(Vietnam)

[RichInOC]

Could be both....

[dighton]

I can't tell if you're a troll or a moron.

Not mutually exclusive.

;-)

[Tamzee]

What was I thinking... the two often do go hand-in-hand ;-)

[MeekOneGOP]

Hmm? Could be. 30 posts total in almost 3 years ????

[4mycountry]

Nothing's impossible. I've seen people who have posted everyday for years turn out to be trolls.

[4mycountry]

I can't tell if you're a troll or a moron.

Same difference, friend.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

*embarrassed* how to say what took me 5 minutes to type in 10 seconds! Argh!

[RedBloodedAmerican]

and get hurt jogging in D.C. late at night...

[RedBloodedAmerican]

New word:

Trollon.

[Old Sarge]

Oh, let's just play my favorite game, "Stop The Tape!", and see what we've got...

Compare & contrast these 2 quotes given that our troops are in over 100 foreign lands(where we dont belong)

What quotes? Atrributed to Whom? You don't even mention who's quoted. I can only assume you mean James Monroe. Amazing that you quote the author of the Monroe Doctrine, who ADVOCATED US supremacy in the Western Hemisphere, as a bash attempt against the Bush Doctrine.

And as far as "Final Days" is concerned, a second-hand "quote" by a discredited quasi-journalist who made up Deep Throat, is hardly admissible.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue

Sounds a lot like the UN, to me...

Haigs presence then Secretary of State HK referred pointedly to military men as dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns for our foreign policy.

And the classic Democrat tactic of accusing your opponents of what you already do.

You have been found wanting. Therefore I pronounce your doom:

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Arator?

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Kissenger merely expresses the sentiments of what those in power really think of us. Not all perhaps, but most.

Military Men Are Dumb, Stupid Animals
author: doubleplusgood
many people have asked about the origin of a quote from Henry Kissinger regarding military men, which came from Woodward and Bernstein's "The Final Days" (1976). Here is the complete paragraph--and for context, the one following--excerpted from pages 194-195 of the second Touchstone paperback edition (1994).

Alexander Haig, newly appointed White House chief of staff, greets newsmen in H. R. Haldeman's former office on May 4, 1973. (UPI / Bettmann)

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In their December 1975 Foreword to "The Final Days", Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein state that the book is based on interviews and re-interviews with 394 people, concentrating on the last 100 days of Nixon's administration. None of the quotes or information in the book is individually footnoted or referenced--they do mention that "we did not accord equal weight to all sources," and that "nothing in this book has been reconstructed without accounts from at least two people."

Authors Woodward and Bernstein also note that "The Final Days" is "the work of four people. Scott Armstrong, a former Senate Watergate Committee investigator, and Al Kamen, a free-lance writer/researcher, assisted us full time in the reporting, research and some of the writing."

Kissinger's quote regarding miltary men comes from Chapter 14, which extensively discusses Al Haig, Kissinger and other Nixon staff advisors' negotiations and differences over national security issues during the 1969-1974 period.

The exact, direct quote marks begin with the word 'dumb' and terminate after the word 'used'.

Here is the FULL KISSINGER QUOTE verbatim from the bottom two lines of page 194 to line 14 of page 195:

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[paragraph]
In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy. Kissinger often took up a post outside the doorway to Haig's office and dressed him down in front of the secretaries for alleged acts of incompetence with which Haig was not even remotely involved. Once when the Air Force was authorized to resume bombing of North Vietnam, the planes did not fly on certain days because of bad weather. Kissinger assailed Haig. He complained bitterly that the generals had been screamin for the limits to be taken off but that now their pilots were afraid to go up in a little fog. The country needed generals who could win battles, Kissinger said, not good briefers like Haig.

[paragraph]
On another occasion, when Haig was leaving for a trip to Cambodia to meet with Premier Lon Nol, Kissinger escorted him to a staff car, where reporters and a retinue of aides waited. As Haig bent to get into the automobile, Kissinger stopped him and began polishing the single star on his shoulder. "Al, if you're a good boy, I'll get you another one," he said.

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SOURCE:

Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein
The Final Days
second Touchstone paperback edition (1994)
Chapter 14, pp. 194-195
https://secure.marketwatch.com/discussions/msgReader.asp?siteId=mktw&parentId=4&forumId=46&boardId=38918&msgId=37234

[RedBloodedAmerican]

(Sarge, none of the above is *mine*, I pasted from another site, link is at bottom)

[MEG33]

AMERICA,HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE.

[Tamzee]

I like it! Trollunatic works as well ;-)

[RedBloodedAmerican]

And when they keep coming back for more, we can say the "Trollomatic" is spitting them out by the dozens!

[Lady Jag]

These terrorists and the Japanese are the only two to attack us on our own soil for 200 years and they killed 3000 people. It's foolish not to after them; the alternative is being a sitting duck.

[King Prout]

as wise as the Founding Fathers were, they were not prescient. they could not have imagined the world as it has become.

then, the US was a small and isolated nation, protected by wide oceans, with unlimited resources for its limited technological society.

today, the US is a vast country with immense technological requirements, whose security is no longer guaranteed by the oceans.

different realities must be faced with different strategies and tactics.

to do otherwise is to be a numbskull, and a suicide waiting to happen.

how about you stop waiting, and do it now?
just do us the favor of not insisting on taking the rest of us along for the ride, ok?

[King Prout]

she is comin' sister mary...

[raysol]

The quote from the book Final Days came from Henry Kissinger who was secretary of state at the time &
the other belongs to John Quincy Adams who knew
better & more than anyone here especially the
naysayers who falsely think they are smarter & wiser
than the founding fathers which is laughable & absurd.
They meant just what they said & I stand by them now
& will defer to their judgement over anyone here surely.
No wonder they didnt favor having standing armies even in US given the adventuresome imperialistic force we are now.