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Scientists Vie To Break Junk DNA's Secret Code
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | Roger Highfield

Posted on 10/06/2003 4:34:06 PM PDT by blam

Scientists vie to break junk DNA's secret code

By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
(Filed: 06/10/2003)

Huge tracts of human DNA, previously written off as meaningless junk, have been found to contain a hitherto unrecognised "genetic grammar", making the language of our genes much more complex than previously thought.

The discovery is of potentially huge significance, since it could lead to an entirely new explanation for certain diseases and symptoms. A race is now on among teams of scientists worldwide to investigate this cryptic code.

While the genetic recipe of a human being is spelt out with three billion letters of DNA code, only about two per cent of these correspond to the genes - the DNA that describes the proteins that build and operate bodies.

In the latest issue of the journal Science, Prof Stylianos Antonarakis of the University of Geneva Medical School, Dr Ewen Kirkness of the Institute of Genomic Research, Maryland, and colleagues have reported compelling evidence that up to three per cent of our genetic material has a crucial role that is not understood.

They made the unexpected discovery that some DNA regions of humans, dogs and species as distant as elephant and wallaby are nearly identical. These regions of what were once called junk have been dubbed "conserved non-genic sequences", or CNGs, a reference to how they are not conventional genes.

Prof Antonarakis said: "I suspect that mutations in CNGs may contribute to numerous genetic disorders." Defects in CNGs could result in illness while the symptoms of Down's syndrome, caused by an extra copy of a chromosome, might be linked to the presence of additional CNGs.

"Many laboratories are now working on identifying pathogenic mutations," he said.


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; geneticgrammar; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; junkdna
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To: r9etb
I think it's pretty much the same impulse that drives those on the other side of the fence to tout evolution as "proof" that there is no God.

I've never encountered anyone who believes that, to tell you the truth. All of my experiences with teachers and professors on this subject have been pretty God-neutral-they give an explanation of the theory and how it works and don't even discuss how this relates to God.

41 posted on 10/07/2003 7:54:43 AM PDT by Modernman ("Oh, you all talk big but who here has the guts to stop me!" -Mr. Burns)
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To: Modernman
I've never encountered anyone who believes that, to tell you the truth.

Well, Richard Dawkins would probably be the best example of one who marries evolutionary theory with an aggressive atheism.

I think if you look up your local "Free Thinkers Society," you'll find a number of people who hold that view.

All of my experiences with teachers and professors on this subject have been pretty God-neutral-they give an explanation of the theory and how it works and don't even discuss how this relates to God.

Well, I think that's a matter of underlying assumptions. There's no need to address God in a lecture, because the underlying assumption is that God plays no role. If you were to scratch beneath the surface, though, I think in some cases you'd get a different response.

42 posted on 10/07/2003 7:59:38 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: blam
Let me be the 1st to mention....

One man's junk, is another man's chromosome...

43 posted on 10/07/2003 8:03:28 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Modernman
That is exactly how it should be, and 99% of the time it is, but that 1%, the literalist seem to fixate on and then attack all of science for it, especially evolution.

It is not that evolution is not true, it is the fact that it can't be true or their entire worldview comes apart at the seams. So they grab whatever they think will hold them up.

The real problem is that they think creation science and ID are a rope that will save them, when in fact it's the thickness of a human hair and will soon snap under the weight.

I feel bad for them, when all they can reach for is some sort of pseudo science, and bash real science like they have all the answers, then you know that they are in big trouble.

Yes, They're in big trouble.
44 posted on 10/07/2003 8:05:56 AM PDT by Ogmios (Who is John Galt?)
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To: r9etb
Well, Richard Dawkins would probably be the best example of one who marries evolutionary theory with an aggressive atheism.

Atheism is a minority view in our country and, I would wager, also in science. I would be curious to see if there is any data out there on religiosity among scientists.

Well, I think that's a matter of underlying assumptions. There's no need to address God in a lecture, because the underlying assumption is that God plays no role

I don't know if I buy that- I think the more likely reality is that, in today's PC environment, professors and teachers prefer to leave a contentious topic like God out of the classroom.

45 posted on 10/07/2003 8:12:19 AM PDT by Modernman ("Oh, you all talk big but who here has the guts to stop me!" -Mr. Burns)
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To: r9etb
Scientific smugness is very real, and you're right about its effects: there have always been lots of areas of research that are "not respectable," because the best scientific minds "know better."

The chipping type junk DNA research won't be glamour science until there is some very exciting breakthrough.

46 posted on 10/07/2003 8:17:33 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: Ogmios
That is exactly how it should be, and 99% of the time it is, but that 1%, the literalist seem to fixate on and then attack all of science for it, especially evolution

I've seen creationists on this site call evolution a "religion", which is just plain silly. I think their goal is to label evolution as a religion so they can either get it out of the schools or demand equal time in school for creationism (which clearly is religious).

For fundamentalists, creationism is part of a bigger agenda: getting their particular brand of radical protestantism taught in public schools. Attacking evolution is just one step in that direction.

47 posted on 10/07/2003 8:17:42 AM PDT by Modernman ("Oh, you all talk big but who here has the guts to stop me!" -Mr. Burns)
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To: Modernman
Atheism is a minority view in our country and, I would wager, also in science. I would be curious to see if there is any data out there on religiosity among scientists.

There probably is a "religiosity survey," someplace. However, in the case of evolution, one need only look at the derision with which Intelligent Design is treated, to understand that even the possibility of God is not acceptible to the "evolution mainstream." (I recognize that a lot of the derision is probably due to the taint of Biblical literalists having glommed on to the idea.)

I don't know if I buy that- I think the more likely reality is that, in today's PC environment, professors and teachers prefer to leave a contentious topic like God out of the classroom.

I can see your point, but I still think it's because it would not even occur to these folks to bring God into the discussion. If it did occur to them, though, I think their considerations of PC would be more directed to the response from other science people, rather than the ACLU.

48 posted on 10/07/2003 8:19:11 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Why is it that people feel that science can somehow use God as a causation?

Why do you feel that science can or should use God as a causation? Why? And of course How?

God is outside the rules, so how do you use God in a discipline that can only use the rules as causations?

Please try and explain that to me.
49 posted on 10/07/2003 8:22:26 AM PDT by Ogmios (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Ogmios
I'm not sure I understand what you're after here -- could you rephrase?
50 posted on 10/07/2003 8:24:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
However, in the case of evolution, one need only look at the derision with which Intelligent Design is treated, to understand that even the possibility of God is not acceptible to the "evolution mainstream."

The problem with ID is that there really is no way to apply the scientific method to it. I personally believe that God created the universe. However, that's an article of faith- there's no way for me to scientifically prove that. We shouldn't even try to prove the existence of God scientifically because God exists outside of our rules of science. All we can hope to do with science is explain how the rules created by God actually work when it comes to, for example, evolution.

51 posted on 10/07/2003 8:28:18 AM PDT by Modernman ("Oh, you all talk big but who here has the guts to stop me!" -Mr. Burns)
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To: r9etb
Science can only use natural rules and laws as causations for explanations.

God is outside of those rules, he can break any rule he wants at any time, therefore any explanation using God as a causation will only be true when and if God decides to intervene.


Why do you feel that science can somehow use God as a causation and still be scientific?
52 posted on 10/07/2003 8:29:19 AM PDT by Ogmios (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Modernman
As our understanding of science increases, we can flesh out the very general description of the Beginning given to us in Genesis

I agree.

On a personal note, the more I learn about human biology--the more I see an argument for intelligent design.

53 posted on 10/07/2003 8:29:34 AM PDT by riri
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I was wondering how scietists were able to declare that they had mapped the human genome so quickly.
54 posted on 10/07/2003 8:31:19 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: blam
Kinda reminds me of one of the major themes of Chaos Theory - "don't ignore the minutia."
55 posted on 10/07/2003 8:31:22 AM PDT by tang-soo
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To: riri
I am the exact opposite, the more I see of the Human Biology, the more I believe it is evolution, and not Intelligent Design, the more I believe that God got it all started, and then stepped away and let it happen.

If we are intelligently Designed, then the creator was either playing a joke on us, or we are the prototypes.

There are other options as well, but I am sure that I will offend someone if I say them.

The human body is not at all intelligently designed, as a matter of fact it is sort of thrown together, exactly how you would think that evolution would do it.
56 posted on 10/07/2003 8:35:53 AM PDT by Ogmios (Who is John Galt?)
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To: riri
On a personal note, the more I learn about human biology--the more I see an argument for intelligent design.

I also personally believe that God is behind creation. However, that is a question of faith that is irrelevant to science.

57 posted on 10/07/2003 8:39:56 AM PDT by Modernman ("Oh, you all talk big but who here has the guts to stop me!" -Mr. Burns)
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To: Ogmios
the more I believe that God got it all started, and then stepped away and let it happen.

I'll go with that.

I would like to hear the other options.

When I think of a single cell, I can't help but be reminded, in some ways, of a computer component.

58 posted on 10/07/2003 8:42:53 AM PDT by riri
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To: Modernman
However, that is a question of faith that is irrelevant to science

True. But some of us short on faith, look to science to fill some holes.

59 posted on 10/07/2003 8:44:24 AM PDT by riri
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To: riri
True. But some of us short on faith, look to science to fill some holes.

Do you mean you look to science to prove the existence of God? I think that's probably unproductive since science doesn't have the tools to do something like that.

60 posted on 10/07/2003 8:47:29 AM PDT by Modernman ("Oh, you all talk big but who here has the guts to stop me!" -Mr. Burns)
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