Gross ignorance that Violence begets violence--Re: Free Republic's "Paul Hill Execution" Threads

Free Republic ^ | 9/4/03 | Dr. Brian Kopp, Vice President, Catholic Family Assoc. of America

[Polycarp]

My anger over the pathological nature of "legal" baby killing and the individuals on these threads who see Hill's crime as somehow "worse" than that of the baby killers has led me to say things on these threads that I don't really believe, just to point out the rank hypocrisy and stupidity of certain posters on these threads.

I've made my points. I'll stop using bitter sarcasm and cynicism now and state clearly:

1)Hill murdered an abortionist, and deserved the punishment meeted out to him by the state. The state has the right, recognized in 2000 years of Christian moral theology, to impose capital punishment. But In all honesty, I have reservations about the death penalty.

2) Abortion may be "legal" but it is still a crime against humanity. Though it would be unjust to try them, by ex-post-facto prosecution once abortion is again made illegal, abortionists still must pay some measure of justice for their crimes. Revoking their licences and general social ostracizing would be minimum and insufficient justice.

3) Vigiliante "justice" and ex-post-facto law cannot be tolerated in a civil society. However, neither can judicial tyrrany and legislation by judicial fiat. Civil rebellion against judicial tyranny and legislation by judicial fiat is not now unwarranted. However, it may in the future be necessary. In the context of innevitable future civil rebellion against judicial tyranny and legislation by judicial fiat it is very likely that certain individuals might engage in vigilantism and ex-post-facto justice. Don't say I didn't tell you so.

4)In the current situation of pathological legalized violence in the form of "legal" baby murdering, everyone must understand that violence will always beget more violence, outside of the abortion clinics. Expect more cases like Hill. It is axiomatic that the violence of "legal" abortion will beget further violence, usually among the intellectually/emotionally/psychologically unstable.

5) Because it is axiomatic that violence, even the violence of "legal" abortion, will always beget further violence, it is evidence of gross ignorance of human nature and Natural Law that certain folks express surprise and dismay at the actions of someone like Hill.

6) Furthermore, to express more outrage at Hill's crime than the pathological violence ("legal" abortion) that precipitated Hill's crime is a symptom of a culture that has completely lost its moral compass and is on the straight and narrow path to self destruction.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

There are clearly a number of people here to whom Hill was a hero, or some kind of surrogate who was willing to do what they are not.

I wonder what's stopping them.

[Polycarp]

I am neither advocating killing abortionists nor civil rebellion.

I'm simply telling you schmucks that violence begets violence, and as long as you tolerate the violence of "legal" abortion expect to see more violence like Hill's and eventually the violence of civil rebellion.

[Question_Assumptions]

Personally, I think that people should leave who burns in Hell up to God.

[strela]

My anger over the pathological nature of "legal" baby killing and the individuals on these threads who see Hill's crime as somehow "worse" than that of the baby killers has led me to say things on these threads that I don't really believe, just to point out the rank hypocrisy and stupidity of certain posters on these threads.

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I'm sick of these moral and mental midgets on these Paul Hill Execution threads ...

It is considered the act of a coward to refer to somebody in a post without pinging them to the post. Further, it is my sincere belief that Paul Hill was a murdering scumbag and that he is roasting in Hell as we speak.

Therefore, I'll now provide you with the opportunity to personalize your generalized slanderous remarks toward one person - me. Please, call me a "moral and mental midget" to my face. And, personally refer to my posts as "rank hypocrisy and stupid(ity)", again to my face.

Please respond.

[Catspaw]

I am neither advocating killing abortionists nor civil rebellion.

Sure you are.

And how, exactly, do I "screw myself?" Such undelicate language for one so close to God, wouldn't you say?

[Polycarp]

I am neither advocating killing abortionists nor civil rebellion.

I'm simply telling you schmucks that violence begets violence, and as long as you tolerate the violence of "legal" abortion expect to see more violence like Hill's and eventually the violence of civil rebellion.

[HurkinMcGurkin]

You can even justify killing the escort?

You people are freaking scary.

Heck, check out #30. The escort is called an "accessory to serial murder".

[Polycarp]

You are simply too full of yourself. I don't even recognize your screen name.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Overheard almost 2000 years ago - "Yes the Messiah is talking about a heavenly kingdom, but surely he will soon lead us in driving out the Romans. Their occupation is a crime against Isreal and Jehovah, bringing brutal suffering that cannot be ignored. Their violence begets further violence, so much so that civil rebellion may soon be called for. Surely the Messiah will lead us in driving out the Romans and establishing an earthly kingdom, too."

[MHGinTN]

What's with the repeated effort to degenerate a thread by spittling out hyperbole after hyperbole? ... It would appear that Polycarp was clear and concise and that wideawake has been, also.

[Conspiracy Guy]

So basically it is OK to be judge, jury, and executioner. What if by interpretation of the Bible and Natural law says I should get a few hundred folks to drink poison koolaid? Or that my imagined race is superior and the Jews must be put in death camps? I abhor abortion under most circumstances but I'm not ready to live in a society where any one person can decide it is their God given duty to execute anyone conducting a legal activity. If it shouldn't be legal we must fight to change that, through law and not violence. Otherwise we are but a lower lifeform.

[semaj]

"Expect more cases like Hill. It is axiomatic that the violence of "legal" abortion will beget further violence, usually among the intellectually/emotionally/psychologically unstable."

Why assume that Hill was unstable just because he killed a licensed baby killer? Violence does beget more violence. Those who live by violence will eventually be stopped with violence, including licensed baby killers and unlicensed baby killer killers. Are you confused yet?

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

And you can go screw yourself.

Are you really the Vice President of the Catholic Family Association of America?

[wideawake]

You can even justify killing the escort?

"Escort"?

You people are freaking scary.

What I find frightening is the willingness of so-called conservatives to adopt the leftist jargon of NOW and Planned Parenthood. "Escorts" indeed.

Were the camp guards who protected the Nazi executioners at Dachau and Treblinka "escorts"? Or were they something more sinister?

[Scenic Sounds]

I'm simply telling you schmucks that violence begets violence

Schmuck? Schmuck??

You're gonna beget some violence talking to me like that, young man!!

[strela]

I'm actually taken aback by the sheer vehemence and joy with which many talk about Hill burning in Hell and so forth but not one accompanying word about whether the abortionists will do likewise.

Then a lot of things must "take you aback." It is a GOOD thing when a convicted murderer (Paul Hill in this case) stops breathing the same air that I do. As for the eventual eternal destination of the abortionists, that is irrelevant to a discussion of a convicted murderer being rightfully executed. If you want to see posters condemn abortion, then start an abortion thread.

[HurkinMcGurkin]

I am neither advocating killing abortionists nor civil rebellion.

I'm simply telling you schmucks that violence begets violence, and as long as you tolerate the violence of "legal" abortion expect to see more violence like Hill's and eventually the violence of civil rebellion.

You can try to twist your wording however you want, but your posts continually show your true colors.

[Catspaw]

Um, I was told to "go screw myself" by Polycarp. Did you miss that? Was that hyperbole or did Polycarp mean that figuratively?

[CaptBlack]

Personally, I think that people should leave who burns in Hell up to God.

I agree with you. I guess I was just making the point that the perceived indignation towards Hill vs. the perceived indignation towards abortionistists appears to be way unequal. Leaving aside the who-goes-Hell question, it just seems sad to this poster that as a nation we are so numb to the slaughter but we go practically fanatical in our joy that one KIND murderer is going to Hell.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Thanks a ton.