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To: Maelstrom
The "progressives" don't support the individual freedom of people in California nor America. Please do some homework on the subject. It isn't about freedom for gays...it's about dividing people into small easily conquored segments.

I totally, completely, 100% agree with that statement.

What is sad is how you have miscontrued and misrepresented my observations about the historical changes in cultural attitudes as some kind of political alignment.

Progressive politics and relaxation of strict cultural views are two totally seperate things. I do not believe politics affects culture. Instead, it is culture that affects politics. Political views must adapt to cultural changes, or they die.

Politicians who are out of sync with contemporary culture do not win elections. The Progressive platform is advanced by the conservatives' reluctance to accept cultural changes. Progressives get elected based on their tolerant cultural views, and their socialism merely piggybacks on that.

The average voter has only a vague understanding of fiscal budget issues, and almost no grasp of the dynamic effect of economic policy, if any at all. But when the Progressive comes out and says "my opponent wants to spy on you in your bedroom", that has a tangible impact.

If we could break the reluctance of conservatives to accept popular attitudes as they are, then the voters would surely opt for the fiscal conservative over a socialist. It's a matter of taking the opposition's strongest issue away from them.

713 posted on 08/14/2003 12:23:13 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Progressive politics and relaxation of strict cultural views are two totally seperate things. I do not believe politics affects culture. Instead, it is culture that affects politics. Political views must adapt to cultural changes, or they die.

Hold on a second. I support the absolute freedom of cultural views. There is nothing that is more free than placing cultural mores on the free market. It should not take long to realize that Morals that parallel the Traditional Christian Mores offer the greatest benefits at the lowest cost to the individual.

So give it a try California. Stop shoving *immorality* down the throats of the children and stop the incremental outlaw of Christianity.

If we could break the reluctance of conservatives to accept popular attitudes as they are, then the voters would surely opt for the fiscal conservative over a socialist. It's a matter of taking the opposition's strongest issue away from them.

It hasn't been shown that they're popular attitudes. The reason you don't have more conservatives in California is because there aren't any for which to vote. This is a function of sabotage from within the GOP, not popularity throughout California.

You can't say the conservatives are the problem when you haven't compromised toward a more conservative attitude to see if it's true. To put it another way: California Republicans aren't famous for their numerous conservatives.
714 posted on 08/14/2003 12:30:48 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Oh hey...
...please keep this in mind in the coming months and years.

Just as Simon's loss is being used as an anti-conservative issue, so too will Swartzenegger's problems be used as an anti-Republican issue.

Do not be surprised.
715 posted on 08/14/2003 12:41:53 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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