[Maelstrom]

Oh hey...
...please keep this in mind in the coming months and years.

Just as Simon's loss is being used as an anti-conservative issue, so too will Swartzenegger's problems be used as an anti-Republican issue.

Do not be surprised.

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

By the way, I too have dedicated much time to researching homosexuality. However, I have chosen to focus my research efforts exclusively on homosexuality in women through direct observation - primarily by studying hours of video. ;-)

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

It hasn't been shown that they're popular attitudes. The reason you don't have more conservatives in California is because there aren't any for which to vote. This is a function of sabotage from within the GOP, not popularity throughout California.

I must respectfully disagree.

Bill Simon was a quintessential conservative, and he lost to the most unpopular Democrat in the entire state's history.
He was single-handedly attacked on social issues, and was defeated accordingly.

Tom McClintock also was on the ballot for statewide office and lost to a liberal.
So is it that neither of these candidates who are being touted as conservatives really are, or is it that conservatives cannot win statewide?

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

We seem to differ because you have the false belief that conservatives have run the California GOP into the ground.

I didn't say they have run it into the ground, I have only stated that they have divided the Republican vote by refusing to support the "RINOs" that could actually win.

It seems we are at an impass. You say moderates have stabbed the conservatives in the back by failing to come out to vote for distasteful candidates with zero charisma like Bill Simon, and I say that conservatives have undermined the party by refusing to support any candidate who is less than ideal.

It is two sides of the same coin, and the only ones who win in this toss are the Democrats.