Why I Am Now Behind Arnold

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[Canticle_of_Deborah]

George Deukmejian.

The only thing that has changed since then is the amount of voter fraud. Same old hippie leftists, same conservative base.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

McClintock is being supported by a prominent Democrat who broke ranks and has donated to his campaign. He is respected by both sides of the aisle. He is likely the only one who CAN work with the Dems and Repubs in the legislature because he already has been. Here's the letter to the editor of the Ventura Star.

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The Ventura Star (a letter to the editor)

"McClintock should win"

I've been a registered Democrat all my life. From 1983 to 1989, I provided the Democratic Party with free rent and utilities in my Village Oaks Office Park in Westlake Village and free headquarters for congressional, senatorial and presidential candidates.

I was repeatedly named Ventura County Democrat of the Year. One day, the Democratic Party announced in the newspaper that it was shocked that the Democrat of the Year was supporting Republican state Assemblyman Tom McClintock. I answered that I always support the best man, regardless of party affiliation.

If all Californians only knew what I know about Tom's record as state Assemblyman and state senator, they would vote for him to be California's next governor. He is honest, hard-working, dedicated and innovative. He has sponsored fabulous state legislation and is now the most qualified gubernatorial candidate of any party. I'm so sure of this that I'm donating $1,000 to his campaign -- because I love California.

-- Robert A. Felburg, Costa Mesa

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

This will be the only time I respond to you because you are:

a) paranoid
b) delusional
c) proof of the vast right-wing conspiracy
d) all of the above


For your information, since you seem to be severely lacking in that department, I have made plenty of pro-McClintock posts, as well as anti-Simon ones.

I've stated repeatedly that I support McClintock, but he just can't win. I simply decided that both Simon and McClintock would be bad for Republicans' political ambitions in the state right now because of the nature of the recall - Think Clinton impeachment backlash.

I just have a general interest in my state's upcoming recall election. I think it will redefine California politics for a long time to come.

[RS]

"Same old hippie leftists, same conservative base."

So what happened ?
Why a Dem Legislature,
Why Boxer and Feinstein,
Why Davis ?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

You're an idiot. Tell Arnie and Bush you failed your mission.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Let's try this again.

A unknown Dem majority, lack of national support and rampant V.O.T.E.R. F.R.A.U.D.

[RS]

"...He has sponsored fabulous state legislation ..."

... and what has he gotten passed ?


Tell me of his success, not that he "tried hard"

What has he delivered ?

What CAN he deliver if elected ?

Truthfully - what does he think he can actually acomplish if elected for these 3 years ?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

http://www.tommcclintock.com

[RS]

"A unknown Dem majority, lack of national support and rampant V.O.T.E.R. F.R.A.U.D."

... and in the current election these will be countered by whom and just how ?

[Tamzee]

And I respect your views, probably more than you respect mine.

However, if someone supports background checks, waiting periods and not defining the 2cnd Amendment to include any and all types of firearms... is that person not a true Republican in your opinion?

[rolling_stone]

George Deukmejian.

The only thing that has changed since then is the amount of voter fraud. Same old hippie leftists, same conservative base.


I think you may be a little off track her, the only reason Duke beat Bradley was because Bradley was Black and the Duke got the hispanic vote...Bradley was leading in the polls right down to the wire.....if Mclintock was the only Conservative running now, he might win, but with Arnold & Simon in the race, he doesn't stand a chance IMO...

[RS]

http://www.tommcclintock.com

... and just how will he drop the budget by 9.5% ?

might as well say 10% of 50% How do you intend to do it ?

Let him get just ONE school district to say they will drop their expendatures by 9.5% if he gets elected...

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I believe Duke served two terms, did he not? I don't recall right now and I'm too tired to look it up.

Regardless, I agree with you that unless Simon drops out McClintock is not likely to win. Simon needs to put his ego aside and do the right thing as Issa did. Arnold has a completely different base than McClintock. Right now, his supporters are mainly harassing conservatives to put aside their beliefs and sell their souls to a Dem in Republican clothing. It's a hard sell because conservatives are much smarter than liberals.

[Carry_Okie]

I love how easily you abase yourself to flinging insults and while telling us how we all ought to work together, with your ilk in charge of course.

I've stated repeatedly that I support McClintock, but he just can't win.

So? It isn't true.

I simply decided that both Simon and McClintock would be bad for Republicans' political ambitions in the state right now because of the nature of the recall - Think Clinton impeachment backlash.

Upon what basis do you lump Tom McClintock with Bill Simon, other than that they diverge from Ahnold? Abortion (the ultimate red herring in a State election)? Gay rights (which the vast majority of Californians think has gone too far)? Gun control (ditto)? State controlled child care (the public schools being so popular with parents these days)? So pray tell, what makes him so attractive to the general public (much less conservatives) that voted by hefty margins for heterosexual marriage, the end of bilingual ed, and the end of affirmative action?

He isn't Bustamante. Great selling point. If it's all you've got, you've got a real challenge as you go down to the wire.

[RS]

"However, if someone supports background checks, waiting periods and not defining the 2cnd Amendment to include any and all types of firearms... is that person not a true Republican in your opinion?"

Nope- just someone who does not believe in the 2nd amendment

No such thing as "true Republican"... "big tent" remember ?

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

What you don't understand is that independents and traditional Slave Party constituencies are ready and willing to support programs and ideas that originate from conservative principles. That is why so many conservative ballot propositions have passed by wide margins in recent years.

I totally agree with that. This is what is so ironic about California. Californians have pretty solid moderate to conservative ideals, but they consistently fall victim to the image gap.

Put simply, the support Republican principles and Democrat personalities.

I think most of those 6 million people are fairly shallow and image-concious. They don't know too much about politics other than who TV tells them they should vote for - and more often - who they shouldn't vote for. Years of subtle sniping of Republicans on shows like the Simpsons and Letterman have sunk in.

Out of your numbers, how many of those "independents" and Democrats actually vote? That is where your case is misleading. Turnout among conservatives, and especially in special elections, is historically higher.

That is the beauty of Arnold as Governor. He can bring in new people to the Republican party who traditionally haven't paid attention to politics.

This isn't a strategy for THIS election. It is much more long-term. Arnold will bring in huge amounts of new Republicans in California so we can win FUTURE elections.
Perhaps the Senate in 2004.

[rolling_stone]

Duke served two terms and won the second against Bradley by a larger margin than the first....

[Carry_Okie]

Put simply, the support Republican principles and Democrat personalities.

Gray Davis has a personality?

ROTFLMAO!!!

That's a patently false assertion. What the voters support is tangible promises. Republicans give them principles but can't explain how they work. Democrats put up hard cash (ours) to buy off one constituency at a time. It's that simple.

It is high time to make clear that the truly creative ideas come from the marketplace, and conservatives know how to organize it to deliver and can show how it will work.

At least, that's what I'm doing.

[nunya bidness]

Give 'em hell Mark. Some of us are paying attention.

[William Tell]

RS said: "Get your facts right... vouchers are used only if there is not a budget in place - which there is - not a good one, but it's there. "

Even with a "budget", let's assume that the so-called deficit bonds don't happen and the tripling of the car tax is not allowed, how does the State provide cash for payments that exceed its revenue? Is there a short term line of credit available for this purpose and can it be exceeded? There must be a limit somewhere.