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O, another thread of men-are-pitiful-victims, and nostalgia for the Good Old Days when women were chattel.

This kind of whining and moaning is the very sort of thing that drives conservative women away from conservatism. Who wants to listen to such self-pity?

It is interesting that centuries of being chattel, of being considered less than human did not drive western women to crime, violence, and mayhem, and that the women who grew up on 1950s sitcoms showing women as ditzy fools did not decide they were hapless victims.

34 posted on 07/16/2003 4:15:55 AM PDT by Ta Wee
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O, another thread of men-are-pitiful-victims, and nostalgia for the Good Old Days when women were chattel, etc. & etc. and you're all a bunch of wimps.

I hope you won't mind (you probably will, but too bad) if I use your note as an example of how women subconciously push the world toward monkey rules.

The idea of all men being created equal thoroughly confuses female reproductive programming, which wants to see some scheme out there for separating the alpha males from the chaff.

A society where the alpha males cannot really be identifed until they are almost 40 years old presents an enormous challenge to women. Time was, they could just look for the brutes at 15 or 16, and the same guys would still be king of the hill thirty years later. Now some nerd like Bill Gates, who probably couldn't get a date except with Mary Louise Girthwaist, turns out the billionaire... while the guy who was captain of the football team is now a meter reader for the gas company. Oh, for the days when you could just look for the guys with Duke or Earl in front of their names, and be done with it.

See, this is what's wrong with Title IX. The whole thing with high school and college athletics that the males can demonstrate how fast they can run and how high they can jump so that the girls can tell which of them are alpha males. Most girls could care less about jumping high and running fast themselves, they want the boys doing that so they can see which of them are the high jumpers and the fast runners. Today of course Bill Gates ends up the billionaire, but this is an age-old system and everybody pretends that it still has some predictive value.

So women have to operate in this thoroughly confusing place where any one of these nerds might turn out to be an alpha, and where brutishness — while exciting for some of those same age-old reasons — is almost a contra-indicator of future potential. What to do?

Raise the bar, and find some more bars to raise. Here's an idea: let's have the government squeeze these guys with every kind of arbitrary and discriminatory measure, and see which ones make it through the screen. Let's go compete with them ourselves in their so-called labor force and see which ones we can knock out and send to the botttom. Let's fill the whole culture with messages that tell little boys that they are genetic defectives who really ought not be here at all. A whole bunch of 'em won't make it past that one, and some more of the chaff will be eliminated.

Are women really sitting around consciously thinking such things? Hell, most people don't think... period. They just do stuff. But stratifying society to identify alpha males is a major need of female reproductive programming, and that goes pretty deep. It's probably down there in the lizard brain at the base of the skull, so it ain't going away.

So what does your note have to do with that? Well, shreiking at men that they are not to take down the bars, they are to jump over them, is part of making monkey rules work. "I am sick of hearing from men about this airplane we built that crashes half the time and leaves them dead. If they weren't such wimps, they'd just get on the damned thing."

Well, dead is a big number. Men will jump over the hurdles and block for the running back, but this deal of losing your kids and your house and being sentenced to twenty years of grinding poverty... naww, screw that.

That can only lead to more shrieking, because there's some reason to suspect that a man who won't get on an airplane that is known to crash frequently is a potential alpha. So instead of being some sort of courage test, this really high bar we put up turns out to screen against alphas.

Oh well, let's try shaming them into it... we'll tell 'em they're pitiful wimps, and immature, and irresponsible for not getting on the crashing plane. That'll work on at least some of 'em, at least until we come up with something else.


40 posted on 07/16/2003 8:57:52 AM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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It is interesting that centuries of being chattel, of being considered less than human did not drive western women to crime, violence, and mayhem.

'Cuz that's when we were allowed to punch the Woman Behave Switch--you know, the one right between a violent or criminal woman's eyes? It turns them right into happy housewives. Use as needed.

Heck, you could probably send me to jail just for the above joke based on the Violence Against Angry Womyn Act....

Then I would commit mayhem.

52 posted on 07/16/2003 2:39:32 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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"It is interesting that centuries of being chattel, of being considered less than human did not drive western women to crime, violence, and mayhem."

I'd say baby killing is criminal, violent and tends toward mayhem.

94 posted on 07/17/2003 9:08:43 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Ta Wee
O, another thread of men-are-pitiful-victims, and nostalgia for the Good Old Days when women were chattel. This kind of whining and moaning is the very sort of thing that drives conservative women away from conservatism. Who wants to listen to such self-pity?

Shut up, get in the kitchen, knit me a sweater and make babies.

240 posted on 08/05/2003 4:22:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Nick Danger

Just wanted to let you know here's one woman who agrees with you wholehartedly and have been trying to tell many the same thing. The breakdown of the family this has caused is heartbreaking. In response to Ta Wee, much of what has been said about women being chattel in the old days is simply not true. And why whenever a woman is seen in the role of being a mother and homemaker, do feminists put this down? I thought they were supposed to be for women, but it seems like feminist are only on the side of women that act like men. If women are so great, why is it so horrible to act like one? And as with any struture in society, there can be abuses of the system, but we through out the baby with the bathwater. The way God designed the family with the father as the head works the best (he might know something since he created the whole universe) but cannot work perfectly in this world since we are not perfect. And Jesus was the only true women's liberator. Our children are growing up in a no-man's-land, and it's all the feminists fault.


291 posted on 06/27/2005 10:59:52 PM PDT by countrydawn (here's wishing I could punch Gloria Steinum in the nose)
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