[MEGoody]

"It is interesting that centuries of being chattel, of being considered less than human did not drive western women to crime, violence, and mayhem."

I'd say baby killing is criminal, violent and tends toward mayhem.

[Tall_Texan]

It's a shame that a really fascinating discussion has deteriorated into a food fight because some can't keep their emotions out of it.

What some of us are discussing is the sociological implications of a society where men have been robbed of their incentive to work. You saw this is in the Soviet Union where the state *dictated* what men should do, what crops they would plant, what factory they should report to, etc.

Communism looked great on paper to the social engineers and to the elites who felt unbound by the decrees they dictated to everyone else. They had a solution to men behaving badly - they murdered them. The remaining males were kowtowed into doing what they could to survive. But survival is not the same as excelling and the men increasingly failed to put forth good work, only what they needed to get by. The Soviet Union collapsed from within, as did the communist states of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, East Germany, etc, because uninspired men rarely excel.

The danger communism posed to the East, feminism now poses to the West - a massive socialist nanny-state government increasingly removing the incentive for men to excel.

Call it unmanliness, call it wimpishness, weakness or whatever. I call it human nature. And that's to be ignored at one's own peril.

[Ta Wee]

"It is interesting that centuries of being chattel, of being considered less than human did not drive western women to crime, violence, and mayhem."
I'd say baby killing is criminal, violent and tends toward mayhem.

Before indulging in such sanctimonious tones, you should do some research on infanticide and child abandonment in all manner of cultures, and the motivations behind such.

I suppose you are going to say that the man never lived who did not want his children.