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To: Nick Danger
Have you noticed that the equal worth pay issue has died? Maybe the Lesbians are less influential than you think. I grant you that stupid economic postulations have a shorter half live than more subjective social ones do. When voters think that their kids might well go gay due to external influences, your point of view might gain political traction. But most parents don't really believe that their kids are are at risk, because they "know" their kids. Thus, you have a problem from a political point of view.
163 posted on 07/18/2003 8:59:11 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Have you noticed that the equal worth pay issue has died? Maybe the Lesbians are less influential than you think.

Perhaps so. Maybe we should all go back to sleep. Having achieved penalties in law against men on the basis of how individual women feel about things, after the fact, they are now satisfied and we will not be hearing from them again. And if rather large numbers of young men are basically 'on strike' against marriage these days, well, it's their loss. Another 20% of kids will grow up in fatherless homes. And that's a good thing.

What 'point of view' would that be? If my point of view got 'traction', what do you think would happen? I don't recall offering any policy prescriptions. Mostly I expressed amazement, even admiration, for what are arguably the two most incredibly successful cultural propaganda campaigns in human history. Imagine the wholesale demonization of men, serious changes to fundamental assumptions in law, and jiggering the institutional forms around a 5,000-year-old social institution so as to make it unattractive to large swaths of the male population, all in the space of about 30 years. That's no mean feat. I'm not real sanguine about where these changes will lead, but as a feat of social engineering, I stand in awe.

Your formulation seems to suggest that the concern parents should have about homosexual proselytizing in schools turns on whether or not adolescents can be made to "go gay," and that in the absence of that happening, parents can and should encourage such proselytizing, or at least be complacent about it. Perhaps so. That is not for me to say. I merely note that it is not something I would have expected to see in my lifetime, and for that reason hail it as another truly amazing feat of cultural tweaking.

If you're telling me that most people will choose to do nothing about any of these trends, I wholeheartedly agree with you. We will ride them to wherever they go. To that extent I feel a little like Mr. Spock on the bridge of the Enterprise. "Sensors indicate a large and growing fraction of men refusing to participate in marriage." To which the answers are variously things like 'Men should stop whining,' and 'If they would just find a nice Christian girl, everything would be fine,' or 'Well, I've been married for 25 years, and I don't see any problems.' To which I can only reply, "Fascinating."

168 posted on 07/19/2003 3:19:44 AM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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