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Men Behaving Badly - Why?
MND ^ | July 15, 2003 | Karl Glasson, Ph.D.

Posted on 07/15/2003 1:45:35 PM PDT by Nick Danger

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This piece reminded of a set of rants I did on Usenet six or seven years ago, particularly the "Pygmalion" effects and the "Atlas gonna shrug one of these days" aspects. The author also glances at, but doesn't see — or choose to talk about — the potentially interesting consequences of government becoming seen as "something that needs to go away" by its male citizens. Seven years ago I thought we were about fifteen years away from government losing the consent of enough of its male governed that it would be pushed into falling. That still seems about right to me. As a class, men have the power to bring down the infrastructure simply by ignoring it, as was done in the Soviet Union. We are much closer to that than I thought we would be by now. There's less anger in it than I thought there might be. It's more at "who cares?" It's nothing organized, it's just a million little decisions not to give a damn anymore. It's a very corrosive phenomenon. As the Soviet Union experience showed, everything can look almost normal right up to the end... and then all of a sudden, a cascade of infrastructure failures stops everything in its tracks.


1 posted on 07/15/2003 1:45:36 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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2 posted on 07/15/2003 1:47:19 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Nick Danger
What can possibly account for this apparent deterioration in the behaviours of western men?

Oh I dunno, perhaps recent public role models:


3 posted on 07/15/2003 1:53:53 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: Nick Danger
The battle of the sexes ...... There's an arms race going on. In this arena every action most definitely gets a reaction. Even if it's sullen and unnoticed for years.
6 posted on 07/15/2003 1:53:54 PM PDT by dennisw (G-d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Nick Danger
Hey men...just be men fer cryin' out loud. All this "femi" stuff makes me puke. Men, step up to the plate and start brushin' off the fast(fem)ball! Crikees! What the F are you waiting for? Take the lumps and stand up!

FMCDH

7 posted on 07/15/2003 1:57:39 PM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: Nick Danger
As the Soviet Union experience showed, everything can look almost normal right up to the end... and then all of a sudden, a cascade of infrastructure failures stops everything in its tracks.

Like California? I think so. Men are begging to shrug off the yoke of feminist politics practiced by the "feminist" politicians in the state.

An example: A few days ago, Gray Davis defended his governorship by accusing one of his opponents, Bill Simon as:"Being against gun control, offshore drilling and pro-choice". In general, these three issues are more compelling to women than men. In other words, Davis was saying he was the candidate of the females of California and if you throw me out the men will be in charge.

Perhaps it is time women began to rethink their responsibilities to the Republic under the Nineteenth Amendment.

8 posted on 07/15/2003 1:59:14 PM PDT by elbucko (On the question of Gold vs Cash , I'd rather have Ammunition.)
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To: Nick Danger
For example, I once saw a headline in a newspaper complaining about the fact that, "Men do not do housework."

As a taunt to my partner, I cut out the headline and stuck it on the notice board in the kitchen. But I added the following words underneath it. "Well, if men are not doing any housework, then neither am I!"

The the woman in question : then GO GET A JOB.

9 posted on 07/15/2003 2:00:22 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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Like California?

Yes. I didn't use the California Electricity follies as an example of long-term corrosive infrastructure failure because I figured I'd just get flamed by people telling me it's the greenies, or the NIMBY's, or Barbra Streisand. All that is true, but it also requires that people who can see beyond their noses stop giving a damn whether the NIMBY's win or not. Nobody ever wanted a power plant in their back yard, but the things got built anyway. Daddy built them, because Daddy knew that the screaming brats did not understand the consequences of not having them. So he built them anyway, for the brats' own good. Daddy is gone now. He stopped caring ten years ago whether the brats freeze in the dark. There's a lot of that going on, all over.


10 posted on 07/15/2003 2:22:40 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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It seems the feminization of society is accelerating. As cynical as I am, I never thought we were only 9 or 10 months from gay marriage or would witness the absolute ubiquity of gay TV programming so quickly. I also note that regular marriage rates have plummeted in the last 3 or 4 years. ..So what happens next? If men won't vote their interests,what exactly is going to happen? Socialists dont give up power easily, the USSR notwithstanding.
11 posted on 07/15/2003 2:31:51 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nick Danger
This guy is a PhD and he starts off with "this SEEMS this" and "that SEEMS that" -- can't he find any evidence to support his case?

He SEEMS to want to make a point but SEEMS too lazy to do his homework!

12 posted on 07/15/2003 2:35:41 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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I do agree with your world-historical position, but find the roots of the growing licentiousness in earlier times than modern feminism. The "post-Enlightenment Era" discourse (feminism, et al.) follows the earlier "Decline of the West" discourse as people lose faith in the Whiggish idea of "progress." Dreams of "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," "All Man are Created Equal," all that 16th-17th-18th-19th Century stuff, are fading fast. Here in America the Republic exists in external form only. People become increasingly cynical about the possibility, much less the desirability, of pursuing virtue. Plato called this process the shift from "democratical man" to "tyrannical man". Getting toward time to stop "bleating with the sheep" (Democratic Era is ending) and instead to "howl with the wolves" (the coming Tyrannical Era is taking shape.)

This is why Islam must be infected with "Modernity" as soon and as thoroughly as possible, since the job will only get more difficult with time. Good troops will get harder to find with each passing generation. (Nowadays the draft is not wanted by military brass because the moral quality of non-volunteers is so low. This will get worse.)

I used to think, as you do, that this process would work itself out more quickly than it has. In fact, licentiousness progresses with a sort of majestic, slow, relentless, almost geological inevitability. Like geology, where most terrain features are caused by sudden flooding, volcanism, or similar catastrophe, the social terrain will suddenly, unpredictably, and violently change, but the process is a long one.

13 posted on 07/15/2003 2:41:23 PM PDT by Iris7
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And when an ideology has been hugely pervasive, influential and dominant for three whole decades it should not be allowed to escape from being seen as significantly responsible for the social consequences that are very clearly associated with it.

What?! Does this guy mean that we have to actually investigate things, to examine what is going on and, gasp, apply old-fashioned values and actually have to assign responsibility for bad things going on in our society to Feminism, dear Feminism?! Gaia forbid!! (/dripping sarcasm from yet another pig)

Furthermore, if western men continue to be persistently attacked, accused, vilified, undermined and demonised, disempowered within their families and discriminated against through the justice system, their behaviours are likely to grow considerably worse!

And if feminists continue to pursue their aims without regard to the way in which they are alienating millions of men, my guess is that in the not-too-distant future both they and their supporters (e.g. in the media, in academia and in government) are going to be in for a very nasty shock.

A history teacher of mine told our class once that the easiest way for a ruler or ruling class to cause their own demise was to force their subjects to lose hope - because, lacking hope, the victims will also have nothing to lose by fighting back in some way. That resistance usually rises to the level of violence, because destroying a man's hope is not a light matter. He used the example of taking or destroying a man's house as the best way to do this. However, Feminist politics and our legal system has greatly exceeded that "modest" punishment. Let's take the example of a man who simply cannot stand his wife, or whose wife cannot stand him - so they get a divorce. Not only is the husband/father kicked out of the house he paid and worked for over the course of many years, but he has to pay alimony to the person who did it to him, and child support for the children that she took from him. Oh, and all the while, she could be shacked up with some other guy (or many over the course of several years) - in our victim's very house - but as long as she doesn't get married, he keeps paying alimony. And he dare not refuse to pay - his credit will be ruined, he may lose his job and possibly even go to jail. Oh, and if he's a gun owner, be assured that the restraining order that her attorney insists upon will take his guns and prevent him from buying any more. In short, he loses everything dear to him, and is forced to work as not much more than an indentured servant. Gee, I don't see much hope there - no wonder that behavior is growing worse over time, and no wonder that lots of people (mostly men) see little use for our present form of government or those who are in charge.

As a class, men have the power to bring down the infrastructure simply by ignoring it, as was done in the Soviet Union. We are much closer to that than I thought we would be by now. There's less anger in it than I thought there might be. It's more at "who cares?" It's nothing organized, it's just a million little decisions not to give a damn anymore. It's a very corrosive phenomenon.

The pot is boiling - putting the lid on the pot and turning up the gas will only hasten the inevitable explosion.

14 posted on 07/15/2003 2:45:20 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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Ya know Nick, there's a lot of truth in what you say, I hadn't really thought about it in quite that way before, but the whole "who gives a $#!t" aspect of it does resonate. And as for how it will corrode our infrastructure and we won't see it till its too late: Scary.
15 posted on 07/15/2003 2:51:23 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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The older I get, the more I wonder about how the studies of Calhoun's rats applies to us as well.
16 posted on 07/15/2003 3:01:34 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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The older I get, the more I wonder about how the studies of Calhoun's rats applies to us as well.

I seem to remember this from a pysch class long ago. Isn't that the experiment where male rats living in crowded conditions became violent and homosexual ? and the females began killing and eating the young ?

18 posted on 07/15/2003 3:08:27 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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To: Nick Danger
So he built them anyway, for the brats' own good

Yes. Pacific Gas and Electric used to have a policy that built new plants when ever usage reached a point where full use was predictable. The greens argued that this policy led to growth, because power was always plentiful and power was one of the things needed for growth.

This conflict was finally resolved in the greens favor by the overwhelming nature of leftist California politics. PGE leadership took their ball and went home, arranging with the legislature for sale of the power plants and clearance of their debt in return for the partial privatization that California adopted.

The Daddy did indeed leave the state to its fate, and it came sooner then expected but the result may be an off year change in government. I don't believe it will lead to total chaos, but some may be so inclined.

19 posted on 07/15/2003 3:09:46 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: Nick Danger
I pretty much disagree with your post.

Seven years ago I thought we were about fifteen years away from government losing the consent of enough of its male governed that it would be pushed into falling. That still seems about right to me.

I think you're wrong. Name one instance of this phenomenon.

As a class, men have the power to bring down the infrastructure simply by ignoring it, as was done in the Soviet Union. We are much closer to that than I thought we would be by now.

Hahahahahahahah! An organized movement by the working class to bring down society? Hahahahahahahah!

It's a very corrosive phenomenon. As the Soviet Union experience showed, everything can look almost normal right up to the end... and then all of a sudden, a cascade of infrastructure failures stops everything in its tracks.

I could be wrong, but I thought the Soviet Union collapsed in a macro way, not a micro way.

True, pc bs and feminazis have had their day, but you can't change dna. Guys are still guys (although we may not harass the new fox at work (which is a good thing)).

20 posted on 07/15/2003 3:20:34 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (America will not exist in 25 years.)
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