Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[js1138]

Now who's gonna be the first to publically accept the good news?

[f.Christian]

The laws and constitution of a Republic are to protect the minority from all nazis and their intolerant bigotted beliefs and behavior LIKE YOURS --- fascists - social engineering !

[js1138]

Why is Pinker being brought into a discussion of science teaching? Pinker is a philosopher, as was Marx. Practicing scientists seldom have time to branch out as Dr. Evil. It is the wordsmiths and charismatics that cause all the trouble.

[f.Christian]

The FR resume won't be even accepted anywhere when it is a haven for political - intellectual felons ... serial rape - lies - murderers of --- truth - fredom - rights politics !

The evos remind me of those preteens in africa w / machetes and ak 47 ' s ... tootzi 's --- somali dragging our God - country through the streets - sewers ! !

[HalfFull]

You mean Thuban? The North Star of the Egyptian pyramid builders?

Polaris...last star in the little dipper...last time I checked, and every prediction that I've seen says the relationship within that group of stars is ordered, as in "ordered universe".

[MitchellC]

First, not mentioning religion is not the same as discounting religion.

Second, atheism is not a religion. It's the abscence of theism, nothing more and nothing less.

This may be beside the point of your reply (and the entire thread), but the real way that a school enforces a particular worldview is by the values it implies. Government-run schools, for example, do not teach any sort of 'higher meaning' to human existence and end up impressing upon the minds of students that the goal of life is external success - in other words, materialism. At the same time, with no demonstration of a basis for their authority beyond mere force, the 'value' of 'might makes right' is also implied.

So, by implying a particular value system (and discrediting others by implying that they're unworthy of consideration), students end up searching for a worldview to accomodate the the value system they've spent thirteen years learning.

[f.Christian]

Isn't it a whole lot -- completely totalitarian forcing your atheist ideology -- rants on a a country that was meant to be secular theists - neutral ...

now totally PRO ANTI - thiest ---

forced - monopoly is called TYRANNY !

Your rhetoric - agenda ...

btw ---

truth // SCIENCE never included murder -- arrogance --- so much ego - pride - BIAS - hate of GOD - America - conservatism !

Sneaky aren't you !

[js1138]

I hope this is sufficient for you gore (he said, knowing it won't be, and that nothing ever could be).

Is this another "Darwin wasn't a scientist" lie by gore? Goodseed tried that one and forced me to post Darwin's bibliography. "Origin" represents about five percent of his published output -- much of which is still standard reference material. But is true, "Origin" was not written as a description of research. It was written to explain a new hypothesis.

[Aracelis]

Sorry this took so long, but between work and family...well, you know... This is only the briefest, highly generalized introduction to sedimentary processes.

Sedimentary rocks - rocks formed from the deposition, compaction, and/or cementation of mineral and rock particles, often including organic material. They may be classified as terrigenous (derived from pre-existing rock), organic (produced directly or indirectly by organic processes), chemical (produced by precipitation from water), or volcanogenic (such as pyroclasts).

Sedimentary cycle - a process which involves the weathering of existing rock and erosion of minerals, followed by transportation and deposition, then burial. First-cycle sediments are characterized by more angular grains and less resistant minerals and rock particles. If this material is reworked in subsequent cycles, the more mature the rock becomes and is dominated by well-rounded, more resistant minerals.

Brief Description of Sediment Deposition

Continuing research into areas of active sedimentation (including rivers, deltaic environments, and oceans) indicate that the formation of sedimentary rocks is governed by four general processes:

• weathering of existing rock,
• transportation,
• deposition,
• compaction and cementation.

During these processes, eroded sediments are sorted according to size and composition by the actions of the transporting mechanism (such as wind or water). This is called sediment differentiation.

Rivers - generally have an erosive region at the headwaters and a depositional region at base level, however, erosion and deposition can and do occur along the length of the river in river channels, river bars, and flood plains. Sediments are deposited wherever the forces of stream turbulence, viscosity and bouyancy that keep particles suspended in the water are over come by gravity (low-flow regimes).

Lakes - frequently, rivers and streams empty into lakes, bringing their load of suspended sediments with them. In these lower flow environments, suspended load is deposited, often as varved silt or clay. Additionally, organic-rich peat bogs and swamps may be present, contributing large amounts of organics to trapped sediments. In some regions, (most notably in arid climates) evaporite deposits may form from precipitated salts.

Deserts - infrequent, torrential rainfall leads to a tremendous amount of erosion and sediment transportation. Often, the turbulence of these events are reflected in the very poorly-sorted and bedded nature of such deposits. Wind is another great factor in erosion and sediment deposition in these areas. Sand-sized particles are usually deposited wherever surface irregularities exist, but the finest of grains are typically transported over great distances, some ending up as loess or deep ocean deposits.

Non-Fluvial Glacial Environments - glacial till (rock debris scoured by the glacier) accumulates at the snout and base of the glacier, to be either deposited in situ during periods of recession, or over-ridden to form ground moraines. Often, these sediments are further reworked by streams and lakes associated with the recession of the glacier.

Deltas - are formed where high-flow rivers and streams encounter low-flow standing water (such as marine shorelines). The rapid deposition of large amounts of suspended river sediments results in frequent river channel divergence.

Beaches - a high-energy environment where ocean sediments are frequently deposited due to wave action. These sediments are typically well-sorted sands and silts with some organics.

Carbonate Sediments - shallow marine environments where organisms form shells made of CaCO3, or by inorganic chemical precipitation of CaCO3.

Deep Marine Sediments - fine dusts eroded from the great deserts of the world and transported by wind are deposited as red/brown clays in a region near 30-degrees North and South latitude. Carbonate oozes are generally found near the equator, while siliceous oozes predominate in more northerly and southerly latitudes according to the environmental requirements of associated micro-organisms.

Listed here are some additional websites with more complete information:

Atlas of Sedimentary Rocks

Sedimentary Processes

Sedimentary Rocks and Processes

The Rock Cycle

[f.Christian]

The evo FR elite with knives - dirty science - needles ...

here to save the fr from the ' flat earthers ' bible believers who reject their modern satanic ways ---

want to establish their monopoly - TYRANNY on the fr for their STRANGE false gods - religion - science !

science political PERVERTS - cancer !

[Doctor Stochastic]

Not always the North Star though.

Predicting storms is another thing, however, even in theory.

[whattajoke]

The evos remind me of those preteens in africa w / machetes and ak 47 ' s ... tootzi 's --- somali"

effdot... even those of us non-christian public schooled hellbound atheists know that the TUTSI's are from Rwanda. Then again, I guess if it's not in the bible, you don't care about accuracy.

[f.Christian]

Due to prosecutorial and media - govt hyper activism ... i.e. --- waco ---


a lot of innocent people were persecuted and still are being punished by witch justice --- mass hysteria --- just like evolution perverting and attacking science // america // fr like a career criminal enterprise that it is !

[Dimensio]

Government-run schools, for example, do not teach any sort of 'higher meaning' to human existence and end up impressing upon the minds of students that the goal of life is external success - in other words, materialism.

I'm not terribly familiar with what government-run schools teach regarding the "goal of life", as I never attended one, but could you provide some kind of reference for your claim? I went to a private school, and my lessons always focused specifically on whatever subject was relevant for the class. I don't recall ever being taught of a "goal of life" when I was in school, either materialistic or otherwise.

Of course, the problem with teaching of a "higher meaning" to human existence is that there isn't a single unified belief on the matter. I'm not sure how government-run schools could therefore properly teach such a method.

At the same time, with no demonstration of a basis for their authority beyond mere force, the 'value' of 'might makes right' is also implied.

Well, if you have a better ultimate source for authority, let's hear it. Make sure that it's something that you can demonstrate as real, and not just an unsupported supposition.

Of course, I don't know that government schools specifically teach that there is no higher authority than "might makes right", so I'm not sure that it's necessarily a logical conclusion from attending a government school.

[js1138]

Polaris...last star in the little dipper...last time I checked, and every prediction that I've seen says the relationship within that group of stars is ordered, as in "ordered universe".

Aside form the obvious fact that Polaris is not always the North Star, and that for much of time there is no North Star, do you believe that the apparent arrangement of the stars is any more ordered than the shape of clouds?

[atlaw]

And that pesky Karl Popper, he was nothing but a cabinet maker with too much time on his hands.

[bondserv]

Thank you kindly, I will look through this when I get some time.

Thanks for putting in some time for me, I hope this helps some other Freepers as well.

[balrog666]

Now who's gonna be the first to publically accept the good news?

You mean that wasn't it?

[js1138]

That reminds me. I keep asking the YECs if they have done any experiments to see how long it takes for sediments to turn to stone -- better be fast to get it all done between the flood and now -- or whether they have done any experiments to see how long it takes organic material to fossilize, but I never get an answer. Not even a rude response.

[longshadow]

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