[js1138]

Polaris...last star in the little dipper...last time I checked, and every prediction that I've seen says the relationship within that group of stars is ordered, as in "ordered universe".

Aside form the obvious fact that Polaris is not always the North Star, and that for much of time there is no North Star, do you believe that the apparent arrangement of the stars is any more ordered than the shape of clouds?

[Doctor Stochastic]

When the Flute Playing Locust led the souls of Men through the Sacred Sipapu into this world, the stars were supposed to have spelled the Name of God in the sky. However, before the Migration of Souls, Coyote took a bucket of stars and threw them over the sky thus obscuring the Sacred Name. (This story was told to me by an authentic New Mexican Native.)

[HalfFull]

...do you believe that the apparent arrangement of the stars is any more ordered than the shape of clouds?

I guess you have a point, but even evolutionist Carl Sagan used the word "Cosmos" to describe the Universe, I believe.

Now, please enlighten us with your point about the clouds.