Genetic Changes In Mice 'Question Evolution Speed'

Ananova ^ | 5-21-2003

[blam]

Genetic changes in mice 'question evolution speed'

A species of mouse has evolved dramatically in just 150 years, showing genetic change can occur much faster than was thought possible.

The discovery was made by accident by two American biologists studying the genetic make-up of a common wild mouse in Chicago.

Dr Dennis Nyberg and Dr Oliver Pergams, both from the University of Illinois at Chicago, analysed DNA samples from 56 museum specimens of the white-footed mouse dating back to 1855, and 52 wild mice captured from local forests and parks.

They found startling genetic differences between the 19th century and modern mice.

Only one of the present-day mice had DNA that matched that of mice collected before 1950.

While fast evolutionary change has been seen in fruit flies, such rapid evolution in a mammal has not been reported before.

The scientists, whose findings appear in the journal Nature, believe humans may have been partly responsible for the "new" mice.

"Settlers may have brought in mice with the favourable gene that were able to out-compete mice with the native variant," said Dr Pergams.

Story filed: 18:18 Wednesday 21st May 2003

[js1138]

ask yer boy libby

I don't see any LL posts regarding your biography of Gray.

[ALS]

and the relevancy of genes counted to mutation is?

[js1138]

Your source:

"It is probably fair to estimate the frequency of a majority of mutations, in higher organisms, between one in ten thousand and one in a million per gene per generation."—*Francisco J. Ayala, "Teleological Explanations in Evolutionary Biology," in Philosophy of Science, March 1970, p. 3.

[ALS]

uhh, yer not getting it

he was on a debunk all tirade so I asked him to "debunk this".

he couldn't.

you stepped in

and here we are

[ALS]

yes the source follows the quote.

[js1138]

Good night moon.

[ALS]

gonna reply to this?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/915674/posts?page=1337#1337

[js1138]

Show me a post where an evolutionist has submitted a quotation from a famous scientist or famous religious text, in a way that makes the quote appear to mean the opposite of the author's intentions. Particularly where just a few lines of surrounding text would clarify things.

[ALS]

is that your reply to this?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/915674/posts?page=1337#1337

[js1138]

Yes, that's my reply to 1337. I have no obsession with religion. I am, however, concerned with intellectual dishonesty. My "religious" question to you is about honesty, not religion.

[ALS]

what i just said:
Speaking of Dissemblers Club for Jesus...

I find it quite odd/revealing that you've no problem applying your religious beliefs to those who oppose evolunacy, but not one wit of bone is tossed to those who adhere to elunacy.

Is there a reason, other than the obvious, for this prejudice in discourse?

If you were an honest man, as seems your sudden obsession, you would be pointing some of this religiosity towards them.

yet, not a wit



what you just said:
I have no obsession with religion.


and that has what to do with my question?

Must I clarify? I'm sensing you are being dishonest with answering my simple question.

YOU have chosen to assert religion on US, but have utterly failed to assert religion on THEM.
Denial is pointless, so just answer the simple question as to WHY.

clear enuf forya?

[balrog666]

Anti-science idiots-on-parade placemarker. Is there some reason we should not let the imbecilic 6-year-old-mentality-I-win-again-because-you-replied-moron-twins" just entertain themselves for awhile?

[ALS]

no, I won't be your prom date.

[Heartlander]

"Paley's argument is made with passionate sincerity and is informed by the best biological scholarship of his day, but it is wrong, gloriously and utterly wrong. The analogy between . . . watch and living organism, is false. All appearances to the contrary, the only watchmaker in nature is the blind forces of physics, albeit deployed in a very special way. A true watchmaker has foresight: he designs his cogs and springs, and plans their interconnections, with a future purpose in the mind's eye. Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparent purposeful form of all life, has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind's eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vision, no foresight, no sight at all. If it can be said to play the role of watchmaker in nature, it is the blind watchmaker.
The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design (p. 5)
-Richard Dawkins

Or from the Swedish Chef

Peley's ergooment is mede-a veet pesseeunete-a seencerity und is inffurmed by zee best beeulugicel schulersheep ooff hees dey, boot it is vrung, glureeuoosly und utterly vrung. Zee unelugy betveee . . . vetch und leefing oorguneesm, is felse-a. Ell eppeerunces tu zee cuntrery, zee oonly vetchmeker in netoore-a is zee bleend furces ooff physeecs, elbeeet depluyed in a fery speceeel vey. Bork bork bork! A trooe-a vetchmeker hes fureseeght: he-a deseegns hees cugs und spreengs, und pluns zeeur intercunnecshuns, veet a footoore-a poorpuse-a in zee meend's iye-a. Netoorel selecshun, zee bleend, uncunsceeuoos, ootumeteec prucess vheech Derveen deescufered, und vheech ve-a noo knoo is zee ixpluneshun fur zee ixeestence-a und epperent poorpuseffool furm ooff ell leeffe-a, hes nu poorpuse-a in meend. Bork bork bork! It hes nu meend und nu meend's iye-a. It dues nut plun fur zee footoore-a. It hes nu feesiun, nu fureseeght, nu seeght et ell. Iff it cun be-a seeed tu pley zee rule-a ooff vetchmeker in netoore-a, it is zee bleend vetchmeker. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!
-Swedish Chef

Note: Although the Chef’s quote is in context, it has no purpose…

What a mindless theory! What purpose could it serve?

[ALS]

awww you shoulda scanned it

it makes it more real then or something

[longshadow]

bi-polar troll placemarker

[ALS]

tricycle theory placemarker

[Heartlander]

Square circle Placemarker

[ALS]

convoluted parallagram placemarker

[f.Christian]

Anti evo poison gas placemaker !