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Confederate flag salute in program upsets parents
The Nashville Tennessean ^ | May 14, 2003 | LARRY MCCORMACK

Posted on 05/14/2003 5:37:51 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa

Confederate flag salute in program upsets parents

LARRY MCCORMACK / STAFF

Parents of some students at Avery Trace Middle School in Cookeville are upset because a history program by re-enactors included a salute to the Confederate flag.

By LEON ALLIGOOD

Staff Writer

COOKEVILLE, Tenn. — A program presented by a local camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans last Friday at Avery Trace Middle School has angered parents because students were asked to stand and listen to a recitation of a salute to the Confederate flag.

''My son told me something happened at school. I couldn't have imagined it would be anything like this,'' said Diane Paul, whose son attends the school. She asked that his name not be disclosed.

Paul also said the speakers promoted ''revisionist attitudes'' of the Civil War, particularly in regard to slavery.

The program by members of the Dillard-Judd Camp 1828 was similar to one they had presented last year for seventh- and eighth-grade American history classes at the middle school. The members, many of whom are active Civil War re-enactors, came dressed in period Confederate costumes to show the students what life was like during the 1860s.

According to Alma Anderson, the history teacher who organized the event, having the members come to the school offered a chance to ''make history come alive'' for her students.

Anderson said Friday's program began with the Pledge of Allegiance to the American flag, for which students were asked to stand. Afterward, the teacher said, her eighth-graders were asked to remain standing for a salute to the Confederate flag.

''They explained they were going to salute not the Confederate States of America but to salute the thought of the folks who served in the Confederacy,'' Anderson said, adding that students were not required to salute. Neither were they provided the words of the salute.

''They were just to stand respectfully. You're not pledging. You're not saying anything. You're just standing there with respect,'' she said.

Diane Paul, however, said the re-enactors went too far when they asked her son to remain standing in honor of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. ''He knew it felt wrong, but he was there with his whole class, all these kids. No one wants to say anything,'' Paul said.

Anderson said no student or parent has complained to her about the program. She said that after the program, her students had a question-and-answer session with the group members. There were no questions about the salute, she said.

''If somebody had been upset, surely they could have come to me,'' Anderson added.

In contrast, she said, one parent thanked her for making the Civil War so interesting to her child.

In addition, Anderson said, Director of Schools Michael Martin attended the presentation. Martin could not be reached for comment.

Paul said she was troubled by ''revisionist attitudes'' of the Civil War that she said were promoted by the members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

''My son was told that a lot of black slaves liked their masters very much and that many blacks wore the Gray. There's a grain of truth there, but there were reasons why they were true. The whole answer wasn't given.

''What answers were given were distorted, and it's the distortion that disturbs me,'' the Cookeville mother said.

''The whole thing was minimizing slavery.''

Reavis Mitchell, chairman of the Fisk University History Department, said a few blacks did own slaves, as well as members of the Pequot Native American tribe in New England.

''Anyone who could buy slaves owned them, but the predominate owners were white,'' Mitchell said. ''However, most Southerners didn't own slaves because slaves were very expensive. What people don't understand is that slavery kept most people poor. However, their dream was to own them or have their children own them. They've identified with a social and economic quest that the great majority of today's South was not historically a part of.''

Anderson denied that the speakers revised Civil War history.

She said the group's commander, Ed Butler, pointed out that some people had made the Confederate flag a racist symbol.

''But it is not a symbol of racism for the Dillard-Judd group. He made that very clear. He said there's no way anybody on this stage is going to say to you that slavery and what we did to the blacks were appropriate.''

Butler, who lives in Cookeville, could not be reached for comment.

Allen Sullivant, spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans' national office, which is in Columbia, Tenn., said the school programs are a local initiative aimed at giving students a glimpse into the mindset of a Confederate soldier.

''We try to give historic presentations to schools that are willing to do it,'' said Sullivant, who lives in Brentwood.

Typically, a few members dressed in period uniform bring artifacts and speak about the life of the average Confederate soldier and his motivation to fight.

Sullivant said the presentations emphasize the complexity of issues such as slavery and the Civil War. ''People tend to boil things down, and sometimes they boil it to a point that the truth is taken out of the situation or distorted.''

Anderson said she would have preferred to have had Confederate and Union re-enactors talk to her students, but she said she could not find any Union ''soldiers'' in the Cookeville area.

''If I could find a Union re-enactor, I'd be all over that person like a duck on a June bug.''

Paul said she and several other parents, who would not talk to The Tennessean on the record, would schedule a meeting with Principal Skip Overstreet and Director Martin.

''We want our concerns to be heard. I think there's a need for dialogue on the issue,'' Paul said.

Staff writer Margo Rivers contributed to this report.


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To: dighton
I'm not as good a cut n' paster as our ZOT candidate, but here is a summary I've managed to locate.

"All these deaths of U.S. citizens --the death of EVERY U.S. citizen killed by Arab terror in the United States, can be laid directly at the feet of George Bush I." - WhiskeyPapa, 11/15/02 SOURCE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/786927/posts?q=1&&page=401#448

"I'll say again that based on what I knew in 1992, I would vote for Bill Clinton ten times out of ten before I would vote for George Bush Sr." - WhiskeyPapa, 11/15/02 SOURCE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/786927/posts?q=1&&page=401#420

"I feel that admiration for Reagan has rightly diminished over time, and rightly so." - WhiskeyPapa, 11/15/02 SOURCE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/786927/posts?q=1&&page=401#432

"I don't retract any of that." - WhiskeyPapa in reference to the liberal statements found above, 11/26/02 SOURCE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/796067/posts?page=146#146

"If you non-U.S. citizens are wondering what the electoral college is and what bunch of ninnies thought it up: The US Constitution was written by rich white men like Washington, Madison, Hamilton, Randolph, and others. They wrote it for the benefit of rich white men like themselves. They didn't trust the common man --at all--, hence the college of electors, who didn't (and don't) necessarily have to vote for the candidate that carries their state. Here in Georgia, I didn't vote for Al Gore. I voted for nine Democratic Party hacks that promise to vote for Al when the college meets in December. Yeah, I know its crazy, but it works." - Walt, aka WhiskeyPapa, explaining the electoral college to Europeans, 11/12/00 SOURCE: soc.history.war.world-war-ii newsgroup

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"I think the Bushes both to incompetent clowns." - WhiskeyPapa, 3/10/03 SOURCE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/859649/posts?page=38#38

"I'd vote for Gore again over Bush jr. It was a no-brainer that if Junior was elected, we'd have Senior running things, and I bet he is. Surely no one thinks that Junior has enough brains to get all this rolling. Cheney and Powell are going to run the war -- to clean up the mess they made 12 years ago." - WhiskeyPapa, 3/18/03 SOURCE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/866612/posts?page=19#19

"I did say, and say again, that based on what I knew in 1992 I would vote for Clinton over Bush Sr. ten times out of ten." - WhiskeyPapa, 4/7/03 SOURCE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/886354/posts?page=119#137

"I do firmly believe that Bush Jr. is nothing but a figurehead. Bush Sr. is running things; he and Cheney and Rumsfeld. I mean, really listen to the president. He sounds like an idiot." - WhiskeyPapa, 4/7/03 SOURCE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/886354/posts?page=119#137

101 posted on 05/14/2003 12:30:08 PM PDT by Treebeard (Please Kitties, ZOT Walt, I won't ask for anything for Christmas!)
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To: okchemyst
Thank you sir!


102 posted on 05/14/2003 12:37:55 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: okchemyst
LOL

I don't retract any of that.

But I was nice. I didn't say a word about Junior landing on the ABRAHAM LINCOLN (!) of all places.

Walt

103 posted on 05/14/2003 12:38:19 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Dead Man Walkin'...
104 posted on 05/14/2003 12:42:04 PM PDT by Treebeard
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To: okchemyst
You need to resurrect that great tagline you had a while back. :)
105 posted on 05/14/2003 12:42:42 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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106 posted on 05/14/2003 12:42:55 PM PDT by HonkyTonkMan
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To: Constitution Day
You mean..zees wan?
107 posted on 05/14/2003 12:44:08 PM PDT by Treebeard (Be copy/paste now to men of greater wordsmanship and teach them to bore!)
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To: HonkyTonkMan
ROTFLMAO!
108 posted on 05/14/2003 12:44:26 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: okchemyst
Heh heh. Yep, that's the one!
109 posted on 05/14/2003 12:44:54 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
He's a troll. Zap him.
110 posted on 05/14/2003 12:50:36 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
I see this thread has been moved to Backroom.
111 posted on 05/14/2003 12:54:04 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: okchemyst; 4mycountry
See #111... hmmm.
112 posted on 05/14/2003 1:05:24 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: okchemyst; WhiskeyPapa; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; BlueLancer; AppyPappy; Poohbah; aomagrat; ...

That's some bad stuff in #101. Thanks, okchemyst; and thanks, Walt, for the courtesy of a reply in #98.

Weighting towards ZOT: he votes for (expletive) Democrats.

Weighing towards mercy: straightforward about the above; intelligent; does his homework (agree or disagree with his conclusions).

A tougher call than usual, at least for me.

113 posted on 05/14/2003 1:25:06 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: sheltonmac
This is ridiculously dumb thing to say--even for you.

"Nazi" is Wlat's new word for the month. Perhaps in June he will learn "Bolshevik" or "Fascist".

114 posted on 05/14/2003 1:27:26 PM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: dighton; Rebelbase; billbears
Weighting towards ZOT: he votes for (expletive) Democrats.

That was enough for Darth Sidious.

115 posted on 05/14/2003 1:29:12 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: dighton
I say keep him. If it wasn't for Walt, most of the articles I post would go unnoticed.
116 posted on 05/14/2003 1:36:01 PM PDT by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: dighton
You guys recommend what you want. Posters have been banned for much less than the accumulated history of what Walt has posted.
117 posted on 05/14/2003 2:38:17 PM PDT by Treebeard (Be copy/paste now to men of greater wordsmanship and teach them to bore!)
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To: dighton; okchemyst
I'M BACK!!!!
My headache is gone, and I'm ready to FReep!

Kudos to you, okchemyst. Excellent work regarding post #101. I salute you!

Well, dighton, my vote is for ZOT. Please don't think I'm an overly enthusiastic kitty....I just think FR would be a heck ova lot better without W.P. here to bug us.
118 posted on 05/14/2003 3:06:11 PM PDT by 4mycountry (You never notice how many ZOTs there are 'til you become a Viking Kittie.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Jerk. How could you say things like that about our President?

DU called. They want to know where you've been.
119 posted on 05/14/2003 3:08:59 PM PDT by 4mycountry (You never notice how many ZOTs there are 'til you become a Viking Kittie.)
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To: 4mycountry
Please don't think I'm an overly enthusiastic kitty....

Not at all.

120 posted on 05/14/2003 3:43:36 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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