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To: Ga Rob
It should have been changed because it was flown in 1956 to say F$$$ off to the Civil Rights movement

The Atlanta Journal did an investigation on this and could find no proof that this is the case. One reason they found was President Eisenhower's call for States to prepare for the Civil War Centennial. The designer of the flag consistently said that the design was not related to the Civil Rights movement.

Based on the fact that the year was 1956 you can figure that the motivations of some legislators for voting for the change did include the Civil Rights issue, but that does not necessarily mean that the change was brought up for that reason. That Atlanta Journal-Constitution is not one to make up pro-Flag arguments.

In judging the reaction to the Civil Rights movement you should remember that the motivations are perhaps not as clear cut as the conventional wisdom says.

The flag on the Statehouse in South Carolina was also put up for the Civil War Centennial. The problem there was that it was supposed to be taken down after the Centennial was over. It wasn't. In that case, putting it up was not inappropriate. Not taking it down on schedule probably was by taking it out of its historical context.
26 posted on 04/22/2003 10:44:49 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw
It should have been changed because it was flown in 1956 to say F$$$ off to the Civil Rights movement

The Atlanta Journal did an investigation on this and could find no proof that this is the case.

Why would you tell a big lie like that?

There is no Atlanta Journal, there is the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. And THAT paper has suggested repeatedly that the flag was imposed in 1956 to say "F$$$ off to the Civil Rights movement."

In fact, this was in the AJC on 3/26/03:

1956 flag flew to defy desegregation

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RECENT COLUMNS

The 1956 Georgia General Assembly was a House afire -- and a Senate, too -- with anger over federal orders to desegregate public schools. The Legislature charged to the defense of white supremacy with a fusillade of resolutions, proclamations and laws designed to keep black Georgians in their place.

That year, Georgia legislators rebuked the FBI and the U.S. attorney general for intervening in a Cobb County case in which a black man was accused of raping a white woman; they declared the 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education null and void; they required segregated waiting rooms in train stations and bus depots; they required the State Patrol and the GBI to enforce segregation laws; they commended an Ohio federal judge for "his determination to ignore the absurd directives" ordering desegregation; they opposed the Federal Aid for Education Bill; and they set up the All-South Centennial Committee for the centennial celebration of the Civil War.

Oh, yeah. They also changed the Georgia state flag to feature the St. Andrew's cross and stars, "such remainder being popularly known as The Battle Flag of the Confederacy," according to the act passed by the Legislature.

As Gov. Sonny Perdue drags out the debate over his proposed referendum, he should bear in mind that the claims of "Southern heritage" held aloft by the flaggers don't hold up to historical analysis. A look back at the segregationist agenda of the 1956 General Assembly helps to explain why so many Georgians, especially black Georgians, view the 1956 flag with hostility and suspicion.

The anti-integration fervor that fueled the Georgia Legislature through the 1950s has been meticulously documented by State Court of Appeals Judge Alan Blackburn in his master's thesis, "Brown v. Board of Education: A Southern Response."

". . . [The 1956 flag's] defenders contend it was intended solely to honor the Southern soldiers who fought in the Civil War and arose out of the 'all-South Centennial Committee' activities. [But] the 'committee' . . . which [was to] promote the centennial celebration of the Civil War, wasn't approved until March 9, 1956, while the 1956 flag had already been approved by the Georgia Legislature on February 13, 1956," Blackburn noted.

Besides, the pre-1956 flag honored "Southern heritage" as much as any banner could; it closely resembled the first national flag of the Confederacy. (According to the late Denmark Groover, an influential former legislator, the United Daughters of the Confederacy opposed the 1956 flag change for that reason.)

But the all-white Georgia Legislature chose the St. Andrew's cross with stars for a clear and compelling reason: It was the in-your-face banner adopted by the scowling, hate-filled face of Southern resistance as it burned crosses, beat civil rights protesters and threatened black schoolchildren. The 1956 flag had little to do with the Civil War, but much to do with the war against civil rights.

Two years ago, at age 78, Groover made a courageous appearance before the General Assembly to urge its members to put to rest this "most divisive issue on the political spectrum." He reminded legislators that he had been instrumental in the passage of the 1956 flag, since he was floor leader to then-Gov. Marvin Griffin, who had vowed to defend segregation.

"I presented the matter to the House," Groover recalled, "and . . . probably used some rhetoric indicating that the new flag was to symbolize our defiance of the action of the federal judiciary on matters involving race." It was that rhetoric -- "This will show that we in Georgia intend to uphold what we stood for, will stand for and will fight for," Groover said at the time -- that overcame opposition from the United Daughters of the Confederacy.

And that fiery defiance of desegregation is the "heritage" embodied in the 1956 flag."

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Why would you tell a big lie like that?

Walt

29 posted on 04/22/2003 10:53:31 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: Arkinsaw
WRONG ANSWER on the SC situation

none other than POTUS John F. Kennedy, in 1961, requested that the BATTLEFLAG be flown over the SC Statehouse as "a living memorial for those who perished during the Civil War". the original letter is in the RELICS ROOM IN Columbia, SC.

there was NO DATE/TIME noted to remove the flag from the dome. i would tell you that as long as valor,honor and commitment to the dixie TRUE CAUSE exists, that the BATTLEFLAG should wave from the Statehouse. (AND NOPE, i don't want the one in front of the Statehouse taken down either. i like it just fine THERE, TOO!)

free dixie,sw

80 posted on 05/01/2004 9:22:04 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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